[Mesorah] The Influence of Minhag E"Y

[R Davidovich via Mesorah]

Number 4) is justified on the grounds that it is Isru Chag.

RD

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Nehemiah Klein via Mesorah <
mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:

> There are many things where EY is influenced by chutz la'aretz.
>
> 1) "vese-erav" before Birkas Kohanim is only said in musaf on Yom Tov,
> clearly it is because in chutz la'aretz they only do Birkas Kohanim on Yom
> Tov even though in Eretz Yisrael this should be said every day.
>
> 2) Ditto for the singing to allow the people to say the tefillos for the
> dreams, that too should really be done every day here.
>
> 3) see Machtzis Hashekel regarding Hoshanos - "e-eroch shui" should be the
> first day of Chol Hamoed, The same chart is used in Eretz Yisrael even
> though that means "e-roch shui" is being said on the third day of Sukkos
> which in Eretz Yisrael is the second day of Chol Hamoed, it really should
> be said the day before on the second day of Sukkos.
>
> 4) although "av harachamim" is said during sefirah even on Shabbos
> mevorchim, in Eretz Yisrael where what is the "eighth day of Pesach" in
> chutz la'aretz is an ordinary Shabbos Av Harachamim is not said -
> presumably because in chutz la'aretz it is Yom Tov.
>
> 5) Yizkor, I believe was instituted on the eighth day of Pesach, second
> day of Shavuos, and Shmini Atzeres because "ish kematnas yado" is read, in
> Eretz Yisrael the kriyah of "kol habechor" is never read yet Yizkor was
> added on the last days of the three regalim.
>
> There are more examples which I cannot think of right now, if I think of
> them I will IY"H post them.
>
>
> By the way the "minhagei Eretz Yisrael" as far as I can see are largely
> taken from Nusach Sefard and only a few from the Gr"a.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Richard Wolpoe via Mesorah <
> mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> It seems there is a tremendous influence imposed by Minhag E"Y on local
>> minhog here
>>
>> EG
>> When I was a boy, virtually all minyan men in  mainline nusach Ashkenaz
>> Shuls wore Tefillin ‎duringChol HaMoed
>>
>> The Ben-Yehudah Mivta was odd. I remember when we first heard a Professor
>> from Israel using Modern Israeli pronunciation in shul over stanadrad
>> Ashkenaz‎I and we thought it was hilarious. Now it is uniquitous.
>>
>> Many Ashkenaz Shuls have abandoned Baruch Hashem L'olam at Ma'ariv
>>
>> Of course some of these may be attributed to the Influence of the GRA and
>> to the Rav A"H. But it seems that the E"Y influence is even more common. EG
>> an Israeli who davens "nusach sefarad" skips Baruch Hashem L'olam. I don't
>> believe this is due to the influence of Nusach Arizal, nor to the influence
>> of the GRA. It appears to me that the most powerful common denominator is
>> that Minhag E"Y has spread to American and changed nusach and minhog quite
>> extensively within the last 50 years.
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