[Mesorah] Vav hahipuch

[Michael Poppers via Mesorah]

RYD responded:
> I was hoping some of the big guns may have already weighed in, but since
not, may I propose that perhaps the simplest response is that every rule
has its exceptions. It may also be related to what GKC 107b n.3 calls
"dogmatic emendation ... in order to represent historical statements as
promises". See
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Gesenius'_Hebrew_Grammar/107._Use_of_the_Imperfect#cite_note-3
 <
I was hoping that a listmember would come up w/ an explanation for what
seemed like an exceptional case, so thank you, RYD!

> Incidentally, although  CDGinsburg lists no mss with such a vocalization,
HUBP does refer to a Genizah ms with a kamatz there. And BHS of course
cites other sources that testify to, or at least imply, a kamatz. (and
while probably anathema to most members here, it should be mentioned that
many [most?] modern commentators do recommend a revision to kamatz here.
FWIW) <
Last night, I checked the Aleppo Codex Website and saw that the vav had a
sh'va.

A gut'n Shabbes and all the best from *Michael*

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Yisrael Dubitsky via Mesorah <
mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:

> I was hoping some of the big guns may have already weighed in, but since
> not, may I propose that perhaps the simplest response is that every rule
> has its exceptions. It may also be related to what GKC 107b n.3 calls
> "dogmatic emendation ... in order to represent historical statements as
> promises". See
> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Gesenius'_Hebrew_Grammar/107._Use_of_the_Imperfect#cite_note-3
>
> Incidentally, although  CDGinsburg lists no mss with such a vocalization,
> HUBP does refer to a Genizah ms with a kamatz there. And BHS of course
> cites other sources that testify to, or at least imply, a kamatz. (and
> while probably anathema to most members here, it should be mentioned that
> many [most?] modern commentators do recommend a revision to kamatz here.
> FWIW)
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Gershon Dubin via Mesorah <
> mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:
>
>> Even according to the Malbim it may still mean past tense;  all the other
>> mefarshim learn it clearly that way.  Question stands.
>>
>> Gershon
>> gershon.dubin at juno.com
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: Simon Montagu <simon.montagu at gmail.com>
>> To: Gershon Dubin <gershon.dubin at juno.com>
>> Cc: "mesorah at aishdas.org" <mesorah at aishdas.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Mesorah] Vav hahipuch
>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 16:28:41 +0200
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Gershon Dubin via Mesorah <
>> mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Look at Yeshaya 48:3.  In the word "ve'ashmi'em";  why does the nikud on
>>> the vav not change to kamatz since it's avar and not asid?
>>>
>>
>> Why are you sure it's avar? See Malbim
>> https://he.wikisource.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%91%D7%99%22%D7%9D_%D7%A2%D7%9C_%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%94%D7%95_%D7%9E%D7%97_%D7%92
>>
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