[Mesorah] S. Baer on Shelo Assani Nochri

[Micha Berger]

When I taught symbolic logic, we claimed Dodgson as one of our own. Now I hear the linguists want him?! Truth is, he sounds to me like a serious menuval; he took nude photos of little girls. Society was such that mothers trusted that such a noted scholar was engaged in art. But we know from his relationship with the Little girls (which was platonic, for all I know) he enjoyed the company of little girls. Sounds like those posing sessions were about his pedophilia to me.. So, if you want him to be a linguist, I have no problem letting you claim him.

BTW, ever read the two "Alice" books with Martin Gardner's peirush?
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From: "Mandel, Seth" <mandels at ou.org>
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:06:59 
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Subject: Re: [Mesorah] S. Baer on Shelo Assani Nochri

Finally! Someone other than I who quotes the linguistic wisdom of Professor H. Dumpty!
Charles Dodgson  was a linguist, among his other talents. And Alice Liddell's father was also: the Liddell and Scott is the standard Greek dictionary.

Rabbi Seth Mandel
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On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:02 AM, "kennethgmiller at juno.com" <kennethgmiller at juno.com> wrote:

> RRW: <<< I'm not sure Goy is being deemed "inappropriate". The problem AIUI is its inherent ambiguity, and that "safah V'rurah" trumps in this instance. >>>
> 
> Where is the ambiguity? Baer himself conceded that <<< Hazal regularly called a Gentile "Goy" as Radak wrote in Sh'roshim "Goy" >>>
> 
> The ambiguity only exists for one who insists that the language is not allowed to change over time. Such a person would see a bracha thanking Hashem "for not making me a nation", and get confused.
> 
> Frankly, I'd get confused too: I'm not a nation, I'm an individual!
> 
> Akiva Miller
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> "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone. "It means just what I choose it to mean - neither more or less." (Lewis Carroll, Throught The Looking Glass)
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