[Mesorah] She'ata / Sha'ata

[Mandel, Seth]

I had hoped someone would correct you on this.
The form QeTeL does not change in s'michus.  Melekh Mitzrayim, not m'lakh.
The form Q'TaL (with a qomatz also does not change in s'michus.
With suffixes, the former changes to QiTL- or QaTL-.  The latter does not change with suffixes.  Ever.

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-----Original Message-----
From: R. Rich Wolpoe [mailto:rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:55 PM
To: Mandel, Seth
Subject: Re: [Mesorah] She'ata / Sha'ata

 but the oral tradition of Ashk'naz in the g'mara alone is sufficient proof (umman qoneh bishvah keli, not b'shevah). »

What's the source for this?

EG Baer without a doubt disputes this

Siddurim have shevach nosnim lo, shevach y'kar ugdullah do any mss. Dispute that?

Kol sh'vach n'urim is s'michus as I cited earlier

Your case above looks s'michus to me anyway.

So I'm not sure of the proof here.
Shalom and Regards, RRW