[Mesorah] Heh Hayedia

[Mandel, Seth]

REMT is correct regarding the Bronx.  The issue is not whether the Bronx always appears with the definite article, but rather whether a specific place name may appear with the article.  Names such as Manhattan, Riverdale, or Elizabeth cannot accept the definite article, whereas Bronx always does in speech, and usually does in writing.
There are different classes of nouns in English. "Mass nouns" or "uncountable nouns" such as "water" do not accept the definite article unless they are used eliptically for "a/the cup of water"; e.g "bring the water here" is eliptical, vs."water irrigates plants."  This is a marker of different languages, and in Hebrew, it is standard (but not required) to use the definite article with mass nouns.
In the same way, proper nouns in English and in most languages generally do not accept the definite article.  However, some proper names are "marked" as taking the definite article; this is a different class of proper nouns, and include Bronx in English, and 'Ay in Hebrew.

Rabbi Seth Mandel

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From: mesorah-bounces at lists.aishdas.org [mesorah-bounces at lists.aishdas.org] on behalf of Gershon Dubin [gershon.dubin at juno.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [Mesorah] Heh Hayedia

The magid shiur didn't give exceptions;  I was soliciting them from the learned group.

Some of the heh's that you mention are not heh hayedia?

A most interesting observation regarding the yud, indeed.

Gershon
gershon.dubin at juno.com

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From: D&E-H Bannett <dbnet at zahav.net.il>
To: mesorah at lists.aishdas.org
Subject: Re: [Mesorah] Heh Hayedia
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:20:56 +0200

I don't believe that there is an 'ayyin with a dagesh in the
Torah or Tanakh. For that reason, the Hei hayedia before an
'ayyin normally takes a kamatz with the 'ayyin having a
chataf patach.

However there are exceptions to which the maggid shiur might
have been referring:

There are words where the hei has a patach: ha'avirenu,
ha'avot (ayyin bet vav tet), ha'anek.

There are also words with a sh'va nach under the 'ayyin:
ha-'tiru, ha-'lem.



While on the subject, I thought about the hei hayedia before
yud with sh'va such as hayladim, hayda'tem, hayvusi, and, in
these weeks' parashot, hay-or  .  I remember, that in the
chumash,  yud w/ sh'va after hei hayedia never has a dagesh.
There are some 90 without the dagesh. But what about the
rest of Tanakh.

So, I asked my keter CD and was told that:  In Nakh w/o
dagesh, there are 5 in Yehoshua and approximately 80 from
Shoftim to the end..  With dagesh, there are approx. 63 from
Shoftim on. A lot are hayehudim, hayevanim.

Interesting?

David


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