[Mesorah] David melech Yisrael

[R Davidovich]

Zev is answering the drush question.  Michael's question was about the
source of the expression.  It is from Masechta Rosh Hashana, as previously
mentioned.  It was a code-phrase used by one of the Chachomim to communicate
that the kiddush hachodesh and Ibur Hashana had been done.  The drush level
relates to the fact that David is compared by Chazal to the moon.

On 5/7/07, Gershon Dubin <gershon.dubin at juno.com> wrote:
>
> It says vayishkav David im avosav, the exact same lashon used for many
> other people in Tanach..
>
> Gershon
> gershon.dubin at juno.com
>
> On Mon, 07 May 2007 19:54:16 -0400 Zev Sero <zev at sero.name> writes:
> > It seems that I was unclear in my previous message on this topic.
> >
> > What I'm suggesting is that "vayishkav im avotav" doesn't mean "he
> > died", for a king or anyone else, any more than "vayigva" means
> > that
> > in the chumash.  Rather, it means some other part of the
> > end-of-life-
> > as-we-know-it process.  I'm suggesting that the Tanach never
> > actually
> > tells us that any kings died, but we can infer it from the fact
> > that
> > they lay-with-their-fathers and were no longer king, which usually
> > involves death.  The Tanach doesn't tell us that they died, any
> > more
> > than it tells us that they got sick or that they spoke to their
> > families or that they left instructions, because it's not an
> > important
> > part of the narrative.  The important part is that they vacated the
> > throne, which we need to know so we don't wonder why in the next
> > pasuk someone else is king.
> >
> > What makes David special, I contend, is that we are given a
> > detailed
> > description of his passing, which goes on for chapters, so it seems
> > odd that at the end ikkar chaser min hasefer, his actual death
> > isn't
> > mentioned.  This leads me to conclude that, like Yaacov Avinu, he
> > didn't really "die" but merely lay-with-his-fathers, and is in that
> > sense actually "chai vekayam".
> >
> >
> > --
> > Zev Sero               Something has gone seriously awry with this
> > Court's
> > zev at sero.name          interpretation of the Constitution.
> >                                                         - Clarence
> > Thomas
> >
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