<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Wrt discussion about role of belief in determining Orthodoxy, I know of many classics tshuvot discussing status of mechallel shabbat befarhsia.. There are not that many early tshuvot discussing belief as determining status, even though the Rambam clearly believes it does.<div><br></div><div>This question is closely related (albeit broader)to one early tsuhva - the tshuva of the Radvaz (4:187) t<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: 16px;">about a preacher who was preaching that the erev rav was worshipping moshe as a god, and moshe knew and did nothing - and says that anyone who errs in the ikkare emuna due to his reason is not a kofer...</span>hat argues <span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3px;">that any position that we may think erroneous, even if </span><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3px;"> </span><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3px; font-kerning: none;">violates the 13 ikkarim - but is reached through one's thought , does </span><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3px;">not render one a kofer - and does not violate one's hezkat kashrut - </span><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3px;"> </span></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">Rav Chaim disagrees (nebbish gofer), </font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">However, this is not a 19th century Reform canard….</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">The communal question is whether we would rather have masses being shomer shabbat and kashrut, but not believing in torah misinai - or just throw them out, keeping the community “pure” - closely related to the issue of austerity versus gemeinde that was so “dutifully” debated here I the past. Micha is right that Habad is a good role model here…as is at least one version of Rev Kook, that emphasizes our communal and national responsibilities, rather than just to anshe shlomeinu.</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">Remember that Eliyahu on the Carmel viewed those who were wavering between hashem and the ba’al as part of the community…..</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2"><br></font></div><div>Meir Shinnar</div><div><span style="font-kerning: none"><br></span></div><div><br></div></body></html>