<div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(44,47,52);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Oxygen-Sans,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Helvetica Neue","Open Sans",Arial,sans-serif;font-size:15px">From a pure halachic viewpoint ISTM there is no benefit for an avel to lead services up to, but not including, yishtabach (some minyanim have no one leading that potion). Is the value that klal yisrael has invested it with value independent of halacha?</span><div><span style="color:rgb(44,47,52);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Oxygen-Sans,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Helvetica Neue","Open Sans",Arial,sans-serif;font-size:15px">GCT<br>Joel Rich</span></div></div>