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<p>Thank you for all the responses!</p>
<p>As to Kiddushin and Nisuin, thanks for the information from AI.
You obviously are good at crafting questions!</p>
<p>However, the bottom line is that we don't know when, precisely,
the custom disappeared and whether it was a takkanah or just an
historical development sometime during the time of the Gaonim.
Sounds like more of the latter.</p>
<p>Regarding the pump toilets, it seems like the heter is based on
ignoring the CI. That there is no way to reconcile the CI with the
issue. The question is whether a shinui making it d'rabbanan would
then allow kavod ha'beriyos to kick in.</p>
<p>Thanks!!!</p>
<p>KT,</p>
<p>YGB</p>
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