<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4">R' M Poppers provided the following -</font></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"> "lo tirtzach" is a great example of r'tzon haBorei rather than of a common-sense law -- as quoted b'sheim RYDS/the Rav z'l' (see</font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4">
> <a href="https://www.torahmusings.com/2018/02/chukim-mishpatim-no-difference/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.torahmusings.com/2018/02/chukim-mishpatim-no-difference/</a>), <br></font></blockquote></div><div dir="auto"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4">Where this illustration is offered</font></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4">people stranded on a boat, where rescue is most unlikely. All will die of starvation unless they<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large"> kill one</span> (or one volunteers<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large"> - would it be a Mitzvah for this person to kill themselves?</span>)<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large"> and the others will survive by consuming t</span>his person's flesh. </font></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4">Logic concludes that since they're anyway going to die, <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large">they ought to choose life by randomly choosing one to kill</span>. </font></span></div><div dir="auto"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Torah however rules that this is prohibited as murder</span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(51,51,51)">, a gezeirat ha’katuv.</span></font></div><div dir="auto"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><br></font></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4">How do we know this is the Toirah ruling? </font></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#333333" face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4">It is clear from Rashi (74a near the bottom of the page) <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large">Mai Chazis; </span>"what makes your blood redder than the other fellow's" that HKBH sees no difference between one life or the other, the prohibition of murder is the same be it a Rosh Yeshivah or an Am HaArets. However, it is clear that <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large">in</span> the eyes of HKBH, the death of two is worse than the death of one. If <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large">however, </span>the enforcer is threatening to kill him and his family unless he kills the target, the Halacha is that he kills the target.</font></span></div><div dir="auto"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><br></font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><br></font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4">Sefaria</font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><a href="https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.74a.20?lang=bi&with=Rashi" target="_blank">https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.74a.20?lang=bi&with=Rashi</a><br></font></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4">Gemara asks: <b>From where do we</b> derive this <i>halakha</i> with regard to <b>a murderer himself,</b> that one must allow himself to be killed rather than commit murder? The Gemara answers: <b>It is</b> based on <b>logical reasoning</b> that one life is not preferable to another, and therefore there is no need for a verse to teach this <i>halakha</i>. The Gemara relates an incident to demonstrate this: <b>As</b> when <b>a certain person came before Rabba and said to him: The lord of my place,</b> a local official, <b>said to me: Go kill so-and-so, and if not I will kill you, what shall I do? Rabba said to him: It is preferable that he should kill you and you should not kill. Who is to say that your blood is redder than his, that your life is worth more than the one he wants you to kill? Perhaps that man’s blood is redder. This logical reasoning is the basis for the halakha that one may not save his own life by killing another.</b></font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4">Rashi </font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><a href="https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.74a.20?lang=bi&with=Rashi" target="_blank">https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.74a.20?lang=bi&with=Rashi</a><br></font></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" style="font-size:large"></font><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" style="" size="4">my translation</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="" dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4">It is logically compelling because either way there is loss of only one life [DeLeKa Ellah Chada Ibbud Neshamah] and the sin of murder, so he may not transgress; because the Toirah [although it usually] commands that we transgress in order to live [VaCahy Bahem] this is because HKBH values the life of a Yid. However, here, since there is anyway a loss of a Y's life, why might it be permitted to murder? Who can say that HKBH loves one life more than another? Therefore, HKBHs command may not be transgressed. </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="" dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4">BTW if childbirth presents with complications that jeopardizes the mother's life, we save the m by killing the baby because the baby is not yet a 'life'. </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4">However, once the baby is born, i.e. most of the head has emerged, it is a 'life' and we may not make the decision of which life to save, the b or the m.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4">However, it would appear from Rashi [and I do not know if this is possible] if both babies have emerged, it is now a Q of saving one or two lives, we save two lives.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4">Are cojoined babies with two heads one or two lives?</font></div><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div style="padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px"><div><div dir="auto"><div dir="rtl"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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