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For a great article about the drops of wine see this article by Zvi Ron.</div>
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Nothing to do with tempering joy:</div>
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I wrote briefly about tempering joy. See here:</div>
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<a href="https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/joy-at-the-downfall-of-the-wicked-al-baghdadi-boteach-got-it-wrong/" id="OWA14b9cb34-d686-39c5-4397-1eea5769e3ae" class="OWAAutoLink">https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/joy-at-the-downfall-of-the-wicked-al-baghdadi-boteach-got-it-wrong/</a> </div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 13, 2024 1:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> avodah@aishdas.org <avodah@aishdas.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Akiva Miller <akivagmiller@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Avodah] Binfol oyvecha</span>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">About 15-20 years ago, we had several discussions about the minhag of removing wine from our cups at the Seder. To find those discussions - which spanned several different volumes of Avodah, and under several different Subject lines,
please go to the alphabetical index at <a href="https://aspaqlaria.aishdas.org/avodah/getindex.cgi?section=B" id="OWA78b234bd-92c6-c6ea-38bc-f88c51982f13" class="OWAAutoLink" shash="NyHvp/EAt2boawTI/RHkAYw2TaW6QTDc2GVm9l2Oa74CrC+QESSdbBSltK37AeWCWhfQiC1YgaPsoXFIrOWDZZv4jJpW397vsGXGNkrS0RfKEcW53Ka1cwu7aVW6DaFrV974qAEA87T9aKOUjqfqO6IHSvg2v+8ZNKPBZX2TtcI=" originalsrc="https://aspaqlaria.aishdas.org/avodah/getindex.cgi?section=B" data-auth="Verified">
https://aspaqlaria.aishdas.org/avodah/getindex.cgi?section=B</a> and look for the word "binfol".<br>
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At the time, I understood that the reason for removing the wine is based on the pasuk "binfol oyvekha al tismach" - we rejoice over Yetzias Mitzraim, but at the same time, we must tone down that joy, because of our sadness that the Mitzrim suffered in the process.<br>
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Some of the chevrah had a different view, though, and they claimed that we do NOT have to lessen our joy; that pasuk only refers to *Jewish* enemies. I did not find those arguments convincing.<br>
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I want to thank R' Joel Rich for his Audio Roundup 2024:22, in which he linked to this shiur from Rabbi Eli Reich of Sha'alvim:
<a href="https://www.yutorah.org/lectures/1098499" id="OWAed5255c2-5705-54b2-ce83-3f6c1c729430" class="OWAAutoLink" shash="yvCyRqhR8gnz60S6G2k7SkBvRG2/j1V3E+rFDfu/gZRoAjQkxBA47APetPADUt0jxyS8NczU5cNpKGWSRnGP8talH3nR6G4cWQ5EIslzaSEsaUkXAVhFZsYlFmEImRZ4ugd1eDHLa9iWwoZkNaRQSHUnD5iY1KbJ4MCt/aguhAM=" originalsrc="https://www.yutorah.org/lectures/1098499" data-auth="Verified">
https://www.yutorah.org/lectures/1098499</a> (44 minutes long)<br>
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In this shiur, Rabbi Reich presents both sides of this argument, and in my opinion, he did so rather fairly. However (spoiler alert!) he ended up coming down *against* using that pasuk to explain this minhag, and in fact, he came down against restraining our
joy at all. I found his explanation to be clear and convincing, and I plan to listen to it again, several times, not while driving but at my desk where I can write notes, and figure out how I am going to explain this to my family next Pesach.<br>
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If anyone else wants to open their mind to this idea, the link, again, is at <a href="https://www.yutorah.org/lectures/1098499" id="OWA4315e651-d064-2996-ab2e-18f34288d760" class="OWAAutoLink" shash="svIQxd45rKNRM25YMWsFBPBqNOLcd7WWEtMsc6zn5ldRAnKVvjkUFsI1ZQX+IIw0Reuotb3FdgnZCmOP6er6Qhr1QRBgY6PtwPTARbO/koyIFDGw1m5yObnsvjDt6vBHEwcS6kMBv6t6G/v8BQ2dfDqXlW3AErErWYlnenmzlkQ=" originalsrc="https://www.yutorah.org/lectures/1098499" data-auth="Verified">
https://www.yutorah.org/lectures/1098499</a><br>
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(In addition, I must thank RJR in general, for *all* his Audio Roundups. It is a great selection of shiurim, and I have listened to many of them when I commute to work. It turns a nerve-wracking drive to a mitzva-filled one.)</div>
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