<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">RMB: What I said about "iskara" [the idea that the Y-mi's "iskarah" wasn't a lung disease (askara) but the</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">type of low-ranking Roman soldier who carried a dagger (sicarii)] is found in most divrei Torah<br>
that refer to the idea at al. (Hit Google<br>
<<a href="https://www.google.com/search?&q=%22sicarii%22+rabbi+akiva%27s+students" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/search?&q=%22sicarii%22+rabbi+akiva%27s+students</a>><br>...I think this element started with R Shlomo Riskin; but many others run with it.)<br>
<br>I think RSY's oversight of a key part of the argument as frequently<br>
presented is a major limitation of the article you shared....[as it is] the most compelling one.<br><br></blockquote><div> In defense of RSY I would have pointed out that his information came from sefarim and hard copy articles, and not from blogs, or indeed any non-Hebrew language sources.</div><div><br></div><div>But even by googling (in English and Hebrew) Askara or Askarah+Akiva, it seems that R. Riskin's idea, of relating the word askara to sicarii, is far from being "frequently presented." I haven't even found it to be noted at all by any others. (Another example: <a href="https://lib.cet.ac.il/pages/item.asp?item=16918" target="_blank">https://lib.cet.ac.il/pages/item.asp?item=16918</a>)</div><div><br></div><div>Neither did I find such in a random look at some of the160 sources that come up in your link</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.google.com/search?&q=%22sicarii%22+rabbi+akiva%27s+students">https://www.google.com/search?&q=%22sicarii%22+rabbi+akiva%27s+students</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps you can specify, say, three of them that agree to, or even mention, the theory that Rav Nachman's "iskarah" was the type of low-ranking Roman soldier who carried a dagger (sicarii)], to support your critique that "RSY's oversight of a key part of the argument as frequently</div><div>presented is a major limitation of the article ....[as it is] the most compelling one"?</div><div><br></div>I of course do come up with several promoters of the idea that Rabbi Akiva's students died either in battle in the Bar Kochba rebellion or in punishment for their participation in or advocacy thereof. (In <a href="https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/26881/is-there-any-evidence-that-rabbi-akivas-students-fought-alongside-bar-kochba" target="_blank">https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/26881/is-there-any-evidence-that-rabbi-akivas-students-fought-alongside-bar-kochba</a> one discussant connects askera to asphyxiation, and takes it as a reference not to a sickness, the ubiquitous meaning, but to the result of crucifixion.) But I have only been addressing your contention that Rav Nachman's "iskarah" was a type of low-ranking Roman soldier (and therefore a reference to the alleged death in battle of Rabbi Akiva's students in Bar Kochba's army.)</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">One mistake I did find in RSY's presentation is the claim (p. 10, note 18, in the name of R. Yisrael Eliyahu [HaOtzar, gilyon 78]) that Rav Nachman himself, the author of the statement (in Yevamos 62b) that the students died from askarah, states (in Sota 35a) that when the Torah says the meraglim died in a mageyfa, it means they died b'askara! So the very person who attributed Rabbi Akiva's students' deaths to "askara,'' defined the word to mean a plague.<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Trouble is, the first statement was made by Rav Nachman stam (bar Yaakov), and the second by Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Zvi Lampel</div></div>