<div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,serif;font-size:13px">The gemara (chulin 95b) makes a very straightforward statement: וה×מר רב: כל × ×—×© ש××™× ×• ×›×ליעזר עבד ××‘×¨×”× ×•×›×™×•× ×ª×Ÿ בן ש×ול ××™× ×• × ×—×©!</span><br style="padding:0px;margin:0px;outline:none;list-style:none;border:0px none;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,serif;font-size:13px">Numerous commentaries seek to reinterpret this statement (AIUI) based on a presumption that it can’t mean that Eliezer and/or Yonatan employed prohibited nichush. If that is the case, why would rav use them as examples in the first place?</span><br><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,serif;font-size:13px">bsorot tovot</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,serif;font-size:13px">joel rich</span></div></div>