<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">.</div><div dir="ltr">R' Marty Bluke wrote:</div><div dir="ltr"><br>> The tefila of maariv late Friday afternoon is NOT a tefilla of<br>> Rosh Chodesh, you already said the 4 tefilos of Rosh Chodesh.<br>> Therefore you don’t say Yaaleh Vyavo in that tefila.<br><br>To me, this appears reasonable. But it also seems somewhat arbitrary, as it goes directly against my suggestion that one should (or at least could) include Yaaleh Vyavo in that early maariv. I freely admit that I have no source for my reasoning. Do you have a source to support your assertion that:<br>> There is no general chiyuv to say Yaaleh Vyavo on Rosh Chodesh.<br>> The chiyuv is to be mazkir me ein hameora in the tefilos of Rosh<br>> Chodesh.<br><br>Either way, your posts made me think of an interesting situation. Suppose it is one of these Fridays which are Rosh Chodesh, and Shabbos is not Rosh Chodesh anymore, and a person accepted Shabbos upon himself. And then he realizes that he forgot to say Musaf.<br><br>Note that I'm not asking about one who forgot Mincha; that could be repaired with two maarivs. I'm asking about Musaf which cannot be repaired after RC is over, and which would be an explicit contradiction after beginning Shabbos. This is similar to the case of obtaining a shofar on RH afternoon after accepting Shabbos, but there we had the option of blowing the shofar without saying the bracha. Here, davening Musaf without saying a bracha is rather impossible. What should one do?<br><br>> Saying yaale Vyavo in the maariv of shabbos is a direct<br>> contradiction. If it’s shabbos it’s not Rosh Chodesh and Vice<br>> versa. Therefore, in a situation of tartei dsasrei something<br>> has to give so we don’t say Yaaleh Vyavo. The same applies to<br>> meat/wine during the 9 days. There is a Mitzva of kiddush on<br>> wine on Friday night and a Mitzva of seuda. Not drinking wine<br>> and eating meat is a direct contradiction to tosefes shabbos<br>> and therefore is permitted.<br><br>Wouldn't that logic also apply to an Asara B'Teves which falls on Friday?<br><br>The same way that avoidance of wine/meat on Erev Shabbos Chazon would be a direct contradiction to Tosefes Shabbos, so too the avoidance of eating/drinking on the afternoon of Asarah B'Teves would be a direct contradiction to Tosefes Shabbos. Why is it that Shabbos wins in the case of Shabbos Chazon, but Friday wins in the case of Asara B'Teves?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Please note that the source for fasting until tzeis in the Asara B'Teves case is the Rama in 249:4, which actually doesn't mention Asara B'Teves explicitly at all. It is all about how the end time for a fast is totally dependent on what one had in mind when the fast was initially accepted. Which leads me to suspect that if Chazal had chosen to do so, they could have set up Asara B'Teves - ab initio, from the very beginning - to end earlier than tzeis when it would fall on Friday. I wonder why they didn't.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"></div>Akiva Miller</div>
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