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At 10:43 AM 8/23/2021, Micha Berger wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at
01:08:24PM +0000, Prof. L. Levine via Avodah wrote:<br>
> From today's OU Kosher Halacha Yomis<br>
> <br>
> Q. What is preferable? To wake up early and recite Selichos before
dawn<br>
> (a.k.a. alos hashachar, which is 72 minutes before sunrise), or to
stay<br>
> up late and recite Selichos after chatzos (midnight)? What about
saying<br>
> selichos after alos or after neitz hachama (sunrise)?<br><br>
Fine, I'll have to learn that "neitz hachamah" is accepted
Yiddish /<br>
Judeo-English. In Hebrew, the "ha-" of "haneitz" has
a qamatz, it's<br>
hif'il (= the causing of shining). After all, the AhS drops the
hei.</blockquote><br>
As I have said more than once, "Only maskilim speak and pronounce
Hebrew properly!" >:-}<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">In short, the question of when
alos is should be as unresolved as knowing<br>
when tzeis would be.</blockquote><br>
See
<a href="https://hakirah.org/Vol26Gewirtz.pdf">
<font face="Calibri" size=4>A Categorization of Errors Encountered in the
Study of Zemanim</a></font> <br><br>
for more problems with determining Zemanim. <br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I would have added that one of
the Ashkenazi selichos for that night<br>
actually opens BeMotza'ei Menuchah qadamnukha techilah. It seems tht
the<br>
fact of it being Motza"Sh is part of why we launch the whole series
of<br>
selichos just then. Beyond just the right time to say that
particular<br>
day's.</blockquote><br>
My late father-in-law told me that in the Uranian town that he came from
before WW II, the first selichos was said early Sunday
morning, not on Saturday night.<br><br>
Most yeshivas do not say the first selichos at about 1 AM. There is
a minyan in the YI of Midwood that says the first selichos on
Sunday morning at 6:30 AM.<br><br>
At these minyanim the phrase "BeMotza'ei Menuchah qadamnukha
techilah" is modified.<br><br>
<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Meanwhile when it comes to
selichos, Sepharadim say them the whole month,<br>
and it's Ashkenazim who only start at shavua shechal
bo.</blockquote><br>
My understanding is that the Sefardim say the exact same selichos
everyday. This is what I was told.<br><br>
YL<br><br>
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