<div dir="auto">And yet, the situating you highlight demonstrates a certain tension. That observation doesn't change the din, but it does prompt is to ask either the parameters we observe are indeed correct. That is what I meant with sanity check. And it turns out that for many Poskim, indeed we had misunderstood the sin by forgetting the limiting factor of the din of 'ir shehi kekheshet.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">--<br>Yours sincerely,<br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<br><br>Arie Folger <br><br>Blogging at <a href="http://rabbifolger.net/">http://rabbifolger.net/</a></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 17:38 Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 10:49:55AM +0200, Arie Folger wrote:<br>
> RMB wrote in a different thread:<br>
> Truth is, if you look at hilkhos techum<br>
>> shabbos with all the clauses I added in the previous paragraph, I may be<br>
>> living in a "city" that includes the a rectangle that goes beyond Boston in<br>
>> the NE and Washington DC in the SW! Techum under these changed<br>
>> circumstances...<br>
<br>
> Actually, wether a ribua' of te'hum is ever made that large is a matter of<br>
> controversy. Arguably, once it gets fairly large, the rule of a city like<br>
> a keshet kicks in and we no longer have a major ribua', but rather a<br>
> polygon made up of many large squares.<br>
<br>
> There are views on both sides, but the sanity check inherent in your<br>
> posted comment makes the more restrictive view more reasonable.<br>
<br>
My point of raising the topic of techum, and of the example before it,<br>
Tefillas haDerech, was to suggest just the opposite!<br>
<br>
How can a modern situation serve as a "sanity check" of a din made before<br>
that situation was remotely possible, never mind commonplace? <br>
<br>
I wrote:<br>
>> Why would that be a problem? If the situation doesn't arise, then the<br>
>> chiyuv is not chal.<br>
<br>
>> I am reminded of the AhS saying that there were few reshuyos harabbim<br>
>> deOraisa anymore...<br>
<br>
>> What I do see similar is the discusion on the thread about Tefillas<br>
>> haDerekh from Lakewood to Monsey. Maybe today's urban sprawl means there<br>
>> are far fewer opportunities to say tefillas haderekh.<br>
<br>
I was suggesting that today's reality can have norms Chazal didn't write<br>
their din for. And therefore the fact that a mitzvah now has little<br>
applicability may NOT mean we're misunderstanding the limits Chazal set<br>
to it.<br>
<br>
When Chazal made the reduced measure for techum, there was nothing<br>
similar to today's metropolis, never mind a chain of them in one big<br>
Megalopolis like Boston-Washington.<br>
<br>
Tir'u baTov!<br>
-Micha<br>
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