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I'm stymied at this point by not being able to find the original posts we're referring to. But you state</div>
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Torah into the world? Is EY qadosh because it is</span><br style="font-family:"Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">
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as soon as Maamad Har Sinai is over'</span><br>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size: 14.6667px;">I think the temporary kedusha of Har Sinai is at least as consistent with the first approach as the second. Har Sinai had kedusha due to its role Hashem giving the Torah. Ma'amad finishes,
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size: 14.6667px;">I still think Shabbos is the proof. It's kadosh because Hashem wills it, period. Its kedusha is for us, to be sure, but our failure to keep it doesn't impact its kedusha. It remains kadosh
regardless of our chillul. When it comes to kedusha of places and things, our reponse affects it because it's in our physical domain. Time is not in our domain, we live in it not vice versa, so we can't affect its kedusha. But there's only one overarching
model of kedusha, and the principle gorem is Hashem, not us. </span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> 09 March 2021 06:22<br>
<b>To:</b> Ben Bradley <bdbradley70@hotmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> The Avodah Torah Discussion Group <avodah@lists.aishdas.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Avodah] Meshech Chochma on kedusha</font>
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<div class="PlainText">On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 11:20:10AM +0000, Ben Bradley wrote:<br>
> He starts by saying that the kedushos of eretz yisroel and Yerushalayim<br>
> are 'pratei usnifei haTorah v'niskadshu bikedushas ha Torah'. Ie the<br>
> root is Hashem's Torah not our actions.<br>
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Our difference of opinion is not whether RMShK holds that qedushah means<br>
G-dliness and thus must be connecting to Hashem's qedushah, to tzivui<br>
and to Torah.<br>
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And thus all your quotes are consistent with my understanding, since<br>
they aren't about our point of contention.<br>
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But:<br>
Who is bringing the Torah into the world? Is EY qadosh because it is<br>
the subject of extra mitzvos? Or is it qadosh because we do those<br>
mitzvos?<br>
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If you say the MC's position is the latter, you don't have to explain<br>
why Har Sinai loses qedushah as soon as Maamad Har Sinai is over, but<br>
Har haBayis can be qadosh even without a BHMQ. Because it is people<br>
who connect Divine Will with a place or object, when people lose that<br>
association the qedushah is gone.<br>
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And then there is the text I quoted last time, which I think can only<br>
be understood as the MC saying that qedushah comes from our bringing our<br>
avodas Hashem, and thus His Will and His Qedushah, to the place or object.<br>
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... ein benivra qedushah be'etzem<br>
raq mitzad shemiras Yisrael haTorah<br>
kefi Retzon haBorei yisbarakh shemo haqadosh...<br>
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-Micha<br>
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-- <br>
Micha Berger "'When Adar enters, we increase our joy'<br>
<a href="http://www.aishdas.org/asp">http://www.aishdas.org/asp</a> 'Joy is nothing but Torah.'<br>
Author: Widen Your Tent 'And whoever does more, he is praiseworthy.'"<br>
- <a href="https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF">https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF</a> - Rav Dovid Lifshitz zt"l<br>
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