<div dir="ltr"><div>Yes, thank you, I did intend to write gud achis.</div><div><br></div><div>Take a bridge that goes over a local road. Can we say that the side of the bridge (presuming it is straight) forms a mechitza, and we extend downward via gud achis? Or do we say pi tiqra because we treat the bridge like a roof? (I think you are explaining this, but I don't fully get it).</div><div><br></div><div>(And thanks for repeating your "why" of "halacha vs reality"!)</div><div><br></div><div>-- Sholom</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 5:03 PM Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 12:36:51PM -0400, Sholom Simon via Avodah wrote:<br>
> What's the difference between "gud asik" and "pi tikra yored v'soseim" ?<br>
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A gud asiq "pulling upward" an existing piece of wall that is near the<br>
floor.<br>
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A gud akhis, which is what I think you meant, is "pulling downward" an<br>
existing piect of wall that is near the top.<br>
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Pi tiqra is treating the end of a roof as defining the end of the space,<br>
thereby implying a wall. So, gud akhis doesn't involve the space being<br>
covered, and pi tiqra doesn't require the edge of the roof having a<br>
"lip" for a gud akhis.<br>
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I recently answered on FB something about the "why" of all this. Since<br>
we're touching the subject, I'll see what people here think.<br>
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Someone wrote:<br>
Has anyone read an article on why halacha operates with concepts<br>
outside of physical reality? For example the concepts of lavod,<br>
Barayrah, ...? Did surrounding cultures have these ideas (such as<br>
(legal) Halachic reality versus objective reality)?<br>
<br>
My reply, drawing from a philosphy of halakhah that I posted about<br>
here repeatedly:<br>
I would say, before dealing with your question, that you are looking<br>
at the wrong set of realia.<br>
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Halakhah is a tool for refining people. Therefore its "facts" are<br>
human experiences, not objective realities. To take your example<br>
of lavud: If something is enough of a wall to feel like it defines<br>
a space, it defines a space. And if the soul / character shaping<br>
experience requires a defined space, feeling like you're "in"<br>
something, we wouldn't care about whether or not there is a gap in<br>
the wall.<br>
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:-)BBii!<br>
-Micha<br>
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