<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">RZS writes:.<br>
<br><<This seems to address a situation in Eretz Yisrael where there are <br>
settlements that are entirely Jewish, so that if the bus stops there it <br>
is obviously intending to service the people of that settlement.</div><div dir="ltr">...<br></div><div dir="ltr">
Obviously he does not mean that the Jew who wants to use it is the only <br>
Jew living along the line, or that there is no Jewish community. <br>
Because in that case how is there a shul for him to go to?<br>
</div><div dir="ltr">>></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Not necessarily. If the bus stopped within walking distance of a shul, but with the line being sufficiently far from the shul that no person on weekdays would use one of its stops to access that shul, that would satisfy both requirements, so long as the numbers going to shul were not significant enough to cause a change in bus behaviour.<br></div><div>I think the analysis comes from the various discussions of using a light lit by a non Jew. If the light was lit for the Jew, then one is forbidden to use it. In this case, the driver and bus company are not running the bus because they want to go back and forth along a particular route. They are doing it to service the paying customers (and get financially rewarded as a result) or in this case for free because they are providing a service to the citizens. If they set up and run the line in part to service Jews (eg they have a stop in Golders Green), the fact that they also do it for non Jews all the rest of the way along the line may well be irrelevant. If an area is important enough to Jews to be surrounded by an eruv, it seems likely that the bus company will have taken Jewish passengers into account when determining how many buses to run and when, and where they stop. That, it seems to me, would be enough for Rav Uzziel to prohibit (although it is true that there may be some parts of the eruv that are only in it because it was easier to put the various poles here rather than there, or because there are other natural boundaries and so perhaps going to such parts might be acceptable to Rav Uzziel). Of course, if Jews generally do not use transport on shabbat, and one individual does, then the bus company will ignore his/her use. But if a bunch of Jews flood onto the buses, modern bus companies will put on more buses to deal with the crowds (and especially when they are requiring people to maintain social distancing, if there was an increase in passenger numbers, driven by Jews doing as you suggest, that would mean running more buses on Saturdays, more like the rest of the week).<br></div><div></div><div dir="ltr">
<br><<Speaking of which, I think we discussed a while ago Rabbenu Yeshaya di <br>
Trani's practice of using the gondolas in Venice on Shabbos, and the <br>
discomfort many later rishonim felt about it, while nobody but Maharam <br>
MeRutenberg was willing to say he was wrong.<br>
<br>
But I've never understood how he did it without paying. Does anyone <br>
know? Were the Venetian gondolas a public service, paid for by <br>
municipal taxes? Or was it perhaps a subscription service, and the <br>
gondoliers recognized Rabbenu Yeshaya as a paid-up member? I'm just <br>
guessing here.>></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>I don't know, but from what I understand, that was apparently the case of the Rabbi in India (and/or Sweden, I have heard it told about both places) who was supposed to use the train to get to shul on shabbas. The Indians being a tolerant lot, and respectful of religion, and the ticket collectors at both ends knew him, knew who he was, and knew to let him through. I don't know if either of these Rabbis are a form of Jewish myth though, or really existed.<br>
</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">Regards</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Chana<br></div></div>