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<div class="gmail_quote">On 4 July 2018 at 04:17, H Lampel via
Avodah <span dir="ltr"><<a
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</span> The Rambam built the case that accepting
Aristotle's version of an eternal universe would topple
the message of the Torah, repeatedly describing Creation
ex nihilo a y'sod of the Torah, denial of which he
declared heretical. </div>
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<div>No, the Rambam said pretty much the opposite, that the
theory of an eternal world could fit into yahadus al pi
sevara, but as we have the Torah attesting to creation ex
nihilo, then that is what happened and that is what we
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You're thinking of what he said about Plato's version of an eternal
universe, wherein Hashem was always eternally generating the
material from which He finally formed the universe.<br>
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:HE">If, however, we accepted the
Eternity of the
Universe in accordance with the second of the theories which we
have expounded
above (ch. xxiii.), and assumed, with Plato, that the heavens
are likewise
transient, we should not be in opposition to the fundamental
principles of our
religion: this theory would not imply the rejection of miracles,
but, on the
contrary, would admit them as possible. The Scriptural text
might have been
explained accordingly, and many expressions might have been
found in the Bible
and in other writings that would confirm and support this
theory. But there is
no necessity for this expedient, so long as the theory has not
been proved. As
there is no proof sufficient to convince us, this theory need
not be taken into
consideration, nor the other one: we take the text of the Bible
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<br>
As far as Aristotle's version, that Hashem was always necessarily
eternally generating the fully formed universe, based on His
inability to change His Mind, which obviates the possibilities of
miracles and reward and punishment...<br>
<br>
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had a proof
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Zvi Lampel<br>
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