<div dir="ltr">A while ago we had a discussion about farfetched ukimtas. In yesterday's daf (Zevachim 15) the Gemara made a very startling statement about farfetched ukimtas. The Gemara has a question about whether Holachah without walking is Pasul or not. The Gemara brought a proof from a braisa If blood fell from the Keli on the floor and it was gathered, it is
Kosher (even though when it spills, some if it spreads out towards the
Mizbeach, i.e. Holachah without walking). The Gemara answered that none of the blood spread towards the Mizbeach.The Gemara then asked, surely, it spreads in all directions! The Gemara gave 3 answers <br><p class="gmail-bas gmail-indent1"><span class="gmail-cl">1:</span> It fell on an incline.</p><p class="gmail-bas gmail-indent1"><span class="gmail-cl">2:</span> It fell in a crevice.</p>
<p class="gmail-bas gmail-indent1"><span class="gmail-cl">3:</span> The blood was very thick, and almost congealed. It did not spread at all.</p>
<p class="gmail-bas gmail-indent1"><span class="gmail-nm">Then the Gemara made the following startling statement to reject these answers: </span>It is UNREASONABLE to say that the Tana taught about such unusual cases</p><p class="gmail-bas gmail-indent1">The question is why specifically here does the Gemara object to farfetched ukimtas? There are far fetched ukimtas all over shas and yet for some reason this ukimta was considered so farfetched that it was rejected. What does this say about far fetched ukimtas elsewhere? Does the Gemara anywhere else reject a farfetched ukimta like this? I brought an example from Bava Basra 19-20 which had at least as farfetched ukimtas and yet the Gemara didn't think they were unreasonable. Here is the example that I quoted from Bava Basra</p><p class="gmail-bas gmail-indent1"></p><div><div>A Baraisa states
that the following block Tumah, grass that was detached and placed in a
window, or grew there by itself; rags smaller than three fingers by
three fingers; a dangling limb or flesh of an animal; a bird that rested
there; a Nochri who sat there, a (i.e. stillborn) baby born in the
eighth month; salt; earthenware Kelim; and a Sefer Torah. The Gemara
then proceeds to ask questions on each one that it is only there
temporarily and the Gemara gives ukimtas, qualifications, for each thing
to explain why it is not there temporarily. </div><div>1. Grass </div><div>The grass is poisonous. </div><div>The wall is ruined (so the grass will not destory it)</div><div>The grass is 3 tefachim from the wall and does not harm the wall but bends into the window</div><div>2. Rags</div><div>The material is too thick to be used for a patch</div><div>It's sackcloth which is rough and would scratch the skin. </div><div>It's not sackcloth, it's just rough like sacklocth</div><div>3. Dangling limb of an animal</div><div>The animal is tied up and can't move. </div><div>It's a non-kosher animal. </div><div>It's a weak animal. </div><div>3. Bird</div><div>The bird is tied down. </div><div>It's a non-kosher bird. </div><div>It's a Kalanisa (a very lean bird). </div><div>It's not really a kalanisa, it's just lean like a kalanisa. </div><div>4. A non-Jew</div><div>He is tied up. </div><div>He is a מצורע. </div><div>He is a prisoner of the king</div><div>5. Salt</div><div>The salt is bitter. </div><div>There are thorns in it. </div><div>It's resting on earthernware so it does not harm the wall. </div><div>5. Sefer Torah</div><div>It's worn out. </div><div>It's burial will be in the window.</div></div><div><br></div><br><p></p><p class="gmail-bas gmail-indent1"><br></p><p class="gmail-bas gmail-indent1"><br></p><p class="gmail-bas gmail-indent1"><br></p><br><br></div>