<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>R' Yitzchak Levine wrote:<br>"I<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;float:none">n conclusion,  I think that what Rabbi Leibowitz<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;float:none">wrote is irrelevant to today's world. I am<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;float:none">surprised that you even bothered to quote him."<br><br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;float:none">And yet the overwhelming majority of the Charedi world agrees with his teshuva. <br><br>There is no question that the simple reading of the Rama is like R' Baruch Ber. The Rama writes:<br><br>"But it is not for a person to learn anything but Torah, Mishna and 
Gemara and the halachic decisors that come after them and through this 
they will acquire this world and the world to come. But not with 
learning any other wisdoms. In any case, it is permitted to learn 
through happenstance all other knowledge as long as it isn't a book of 
heresy.  This is what called by the Rabbis a trip in the Pardes, A person should not take a trip in the Pardes until he has filled his belly with meat and wine [Torah] and he knows the lasw of issur v'heter and the laws relating to mitzvos"<br><br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;float:none">The Rama clearly writes that secular studies cannot be learned on a regular set basis. Not only that, but he writes that even happenstance secular studies should only be done AFTER you know shas and poskim.<br><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;float:none"></span><br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;float:none"></span></div></div>