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<font size=3>At 06:39 AM 4/15/2018, Marty Bluke wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Again against the wishes of the
Charedi Gedolim. R' Steinman called Charedi colleges for women, a pig
with a streimel (seeÂ
<a href="http://www.kikar.co.il/216994.html">
http://www.kikar.co.il/216994.html</a> ). That same article quotes R'
Yitzchak Zilberstein (author of a widely read series on halacha) as
saying:<br><br>
" <i>Rachel Imenu sat on the idols and didn't burn them. She wanted
to denigrate the wisdom of the other nations, she didn't want to burn
them, rather to teach the Jewish people, I don't need any outside wisdom
and therefore she was priviliged with having Yosef who astounded the
world with his wisdom which was solely torah based. </i><br>
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We have to instill in our daughters: A jewish home that is free of any
trace of non-Jewish wisdom and learns only Torah will never be
hurt."</i><br>
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Too bad this statement does not differentiate between un-Jewish and
non-Jewish. as RSRH did. I agree that we do not want un-Jewish influences
in the Orthodox world. However, there is no problem with
non-Jewish influences.<br><br>
I wonder if they are against the use of, for example, modern medicine or
electricity or running water, and countless other things that are
"non-Jewish wisdom and come into Chareidi homes.<br><br>
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<dd><font size=3>There is no question that the simple reading of the Rama
is like R' Baruch Ber. The Rama writes:<br><br>
<dd>"But it is not for a person to learn anything but Torah, Mishna
and Gemara and the halachic decisors that come after them and through
this they will acquire this world and the world to come. But not with
learning any other wisdoms. In any case, it is permitted to learn through
happenstance all other knowledge as long as it isn't a book of
heresy. This is what called by the Rabbis a trip in the Pardes, A
person should not take a trip in the Pardes until he has filled his belly
with meat and wine [Torah] and he knows the lasw of issur v'heter and the
laws relating to mitzvos"<br><br>
<dd>The Rama clearly writes that secular studies cannot be learned on a
regular set basis. Not only that, but he writes that even happenstance
secular studies should only be done AFTER you know shas and
poskim.</blockquote><br>
<dd>Yet the GRA studied mathematics in his youth.<br><br>
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The Gra was sui generis, when he studied mathematics in his youth he
already knew shas and poskim. </font></blockquote><br>
Can you verify this assertion?<br><br>
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<dd><font size=3>And how many people are capable of capable of learning
"anything but Torah, Mishna and Gemara and the halachic decisors
that come after them."Â Â as I pointed out earlier the Meddrah
in Koheles as well as the Mishna Brurah make it clear that only a very
small percentage of people are capable of studying Torah all
day.</blockquote><br>
<dd>Also, have not times changed since the time of the RAMA?<br><br>
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Is halacha not timeless? Is the value of Torah less in 2018 then it was
in 1518? </font></blockquote><br>
Halacha evolves with the times. It is not static. If it were,
there would be big problems, thus the values of Torah remains
supreme.<br><br>
YL<br><br>
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