<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">personal experiences are a moving tribute <div>but moving tributes are not Halacha - and we know they can be very misleading of and even contrary to Halacha. It is sad that in these discussions, Yiddishkeit seems to be trending towards being shaped by stories, and Halacha by legends.</div><div><br></div><div><div>R Chaim Tatel, who served as Mashgiach for<span style="font-size:12.8px"> two (dairy) vegetarian </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">restaurants </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">for many years, assures us that s</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">taff would TRY [emphasis mine] to bring their own food and cook it in the K</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">osher utensils. </span><br></div><div><div class="gmail-m_-2051668951139001976gmail-m_1022096651007288763gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">He assures us that one restaurants lost their certificate due to this.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Two points, </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">- the threat of losing certification is REAL</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">- the workers tried nonetheless </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">- so we are supposed to believe that in spite of the owner being aware that he may lose his certificate and warned his staff and a Mashgiach was ever-present and vigilant- they nevertheless continued to defy their boss, risk losing their jobs and harm the restaurant ... needs a rather large dose of salt.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Second point</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Halacha is not concerned about these issues - as we pointed out earlier, we provided chapter and verse - and yet here we are once again on this crazy merry-go-round where True Reality, the Halacha, is ignored. Halacha is not and is not supposed to be, a guarantee.</span></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div>But at least it is testimony unlike another response made as though the statement itself creates reality; made by an outside distant observer trying to defend the indefensible with fantastic speculations presented as facts that even the rabbi [who authorises these sub-Halachic-standard Melbourne Australia meat establishments - that are owned and operated by publicly Mech Shabbos and which have no full-time supervision, nor any system by which the Kosher agency can reconcile how much meat was bought with how much meat was dispensed] did not make. </div><div><br></div><div>You can watch and read<span style="font-size:12.8px"> the rabbis public attempt to justify - [</span><a href="http://www.kosherveyosher.com/8-critical-kosher-alert.html" rel="noreferrer" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">http://www.kosherveyosher.<wbr>com/8-critical-kosher-alert.<wbr>html</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">]</span></div><div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Vegan Restaurants</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> are suggested to be not Kosher but some will be quite content to eat </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">in an establishment such as described above, where the rabbi is unable to explain under which Halachic rulings it is Kosher. This is not fantasy. :)</span></div></div><div><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">And have a look at these related communications with AKO [</span><a href="http://www.kosherveyosher.com/ako-2013-emails.html" rel="noreferrer" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">http://www.kosherveyosher.<wbr>com/ako-2013-emails.html</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">]</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">= = = = =</div><div><br></div><div><div><div class="gmail-m_-2051668951139001976gmail-m_1022096651007288763gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Here is another observation that suggest we question the efficiency and competence of</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> some </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">Kashrus agencies</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> - R Ch Tatel tells us </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">- an entire week dedicated to preparing a restaurant for </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">kosher certification [</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">cleaning and kashering </span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">equipment,</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> <wbr>replacing those that could not be kashered, verifying </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">kashrut of ingredients</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">] was for naught. Why? Because </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">one critical ingredient was unavailable with Kosher certification.</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> </span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> </span></div></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Here is the equivalent in the real world - you get a builder to quote on home renovations and AFTER youve paid your deposit and the job is started, you discover that your renovation violates the local building codes. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">One is hardly likely to recommend that builder and I would suggest we ought not trust the competence of such a Kosher certifier; their heart may be in the right place but they are pretty far off the mark in competence.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">= = = = =</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">here is another issue, just now raised re Veg Restaurants - bugs in the veggies. </span><br style="font-size:12.8px"></div><div>Let us accept that this is a Halachic concern - so dont order the leafy salads. Chopped or frozen or cooked leafy veg i.e. those which via processing are likely to have any bugs pulverised or even less, just had a leg broken off; are Kosher. Before you retch - keep in mind all wines and many jams are without doubt, made from infested fruit. and it is Kosher LeMeHadRin Min HaMeHadRin.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>Best,<br><br>Meir G. Rabi</div><div><br></div><div>0423 207 837</div><div><font size="1"><a href="tel:+61%20423%20207%20837" value="+61423207837" target="_blank">+61 423 207 837</a></font></div></div></div></div>
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