<div dir="ltr"><div>R Micha, You have offered an entire treatise on Kol DeParish</div><div>but I think it is more productive to focus on smaller aspects</div><div><br></div><div>So lets look at your first 2 comments</div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">1] you posit that a RDK Ruba DeLeisa KaMan is not a ta'aroves</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I have no idea why you say that or how you support that</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">when we select an animal at random to milk it</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">we assert it is from the majority that are not Tereifos</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Why are we not entitled to view this, and why is it not correct to analyse this as a TaAruvos?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">There is a TaAruvos of K and non-K dairy cows</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">we select a few at random and assert they are from the Rov</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div>After all, these guidelines emerge from the same Mekor in the Torah</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Your second point</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Zevachim 73a, invokes kol deparish [to permit all the animals in a group in which there is one which is Assur] because it cannot</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> argue that the Assur is Battel to the Rov since the animal as a Berya isn't Battel. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Nevertheless, it WILL be Muttar when it is Parish. </span><br style="font-size:12.8px"></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">So we see that the restriction of the Berya status is severely limited</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">It can prevent Bittul when the beast is a part of the pack</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">But it has no meaning when the beast is removed from the pack</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">and we employ the argument of Kol DeParish</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Your Q is - How do we explain that although it is not Battel in the TaAruvos - it WILL be Battel when it is Parish?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">In response I say</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Firstly, this is a Q on everyone not just on my analysis of KaVuAh and KDeParish.</span></div><div><br></div><div>Now to answer the Q</div><div>We must first determine how a group of lets say 10 animals of which nine are Muttar and one is Assur, is comparable to the classic case of KaVuA, 10 butcher shops where 9 sell Kosher and one sells non-Kosher.<div><br></div><div>Let's make them mobile butcher shops, just like the animals are mobile. They remain identifiable however, either to the shoppers because they are marked or if they are not marked, they are identifiable to those selling and serving from that shop.</div><div><br></div><div>It is obvious that the Gemara is contemplating a situation where just as it is possible to identify the Kosher and non-K shops it is also possible to identify the Kosher and the non-K animals. </div><div><br></div><div>Now we cause the animals to be agitated and run around [NichBeSHinHu DeNeNayDi] and they are no longer deemed to be KaVuA</div><div>Similarly, we can have a case where the butcher shops are hijacked, all identifying markings are removed and the shops driven around so that we can no longer identify which is the non-K and which the K shop.</div><div><br></div><div>In both these cases we Pasken that any animal we select is Parush </div><div>And any shop we enter is also Parush</div><div><br></div><div>I think it is easy to see how the status of being defined as a TaAruvos readily explains these anomalies </div><div>it all depends on whether we see the situation as a TaAruvos</div><div> </div></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br>Best,<br><br>Meir G. Rabi</div><div><br></div><div>0423 207 837</div><div><font size="1">+61 423 207 837</font></div></div></div></div>
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