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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2
face=Arial>From: Akiva Miller via Avodah
<avodah@lists.aishdas.org><BR><BR><BR>>> ....Here's another way of
phrasing it: If Pirsumei Nisa on Friday night is<BR>dependent on commercial
activity, and there is zero commercial activity<BR>among the Jews at that time,
then the Pirsumei Nisa on Friday night MUST be<BR>referring to the
non-Jews.<BR><BR>By the way, so far I've been asking about Friday night. What
about Saturday<BR>night? How much commercial activity was there among Jews on
Motzaei<BR>Shabbos? If there was little or none, yet the mitzva and pirsumei
nisa is<BR>still relevant even on Motzaei Shabbos, then this is a similar proof
that<BR>Pirsumei Nisa refers to non-Jews. <<<BR><BR>Akiva
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<DIV>I think you are translating "Tichleh Regel Min Hashuk" too literally.
I don't think it means "until the last shop closes." I think it means:
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<DIV>a] until the last passerby is no longer out in the street and/or </DIV>
<DIV>b] until *that time of night* when passersby usually stop being out in the
market [or out in the street].</DIV>
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<DIV>Thus, if shops close at midnight most nights of the week, midnight would be
the time of Tichleh Regel Min Hashuk even on Friday night and Motzai
Shabbos.</DIV>
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<DIV>But again I don't really think "shuk" means literally "market" here but
more generally, outside, out on the streets.</DIV>
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<DIV>Otherwise -- there are cities where shops are only open 9 to 5, and any
time after sunset would already be too late to light the menorah -- if you are
overly literal with the words "Tichleh Regel Min Hashuk."</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT><BR><FONT color=#0000ff><STRONG>--Toby
Katz<BR>t613k@aol.com</STRONG></FONT><FONT lang=0 color=#ffffff size=2
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