<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Well I typed Selig into a German pronunciation site and it gave the two versions I listed for the g in audio form</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I could ask my mother in law but that would be betraying the fact that my wife is half yekke :-)</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Maybe old timers at Breuers Shule will know.<br><br><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">_________________________________</span></div><div><i style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">The information contained within this email should be considered confidential and / or privileged and is intended solely for the addressee(s) only. 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Thank you in anticipation of your cooperation.</i></div></div><div><br>On 18 Aug 2016, at 9:43 PM, Zev Sero <<a href="mailto:zev@sero.name">zev@sero.name</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Isaac Balbin wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Zev Sero wrote:</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Chanun and Asher basically mean the same thing.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Not sure how “basically” fits in here</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>They have the same basic meaning. Both Asher and Chanun can be translated</span><br><span>as "Zelik".</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>What do you mean "also"? Selig is the German spelling. It's pronounced</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>"Zelig".</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><span></span><br><span>Sorry, I meant it's pronounced "Zelik". My point was that *nobody*</span><br><span>pronounces it with a samech.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>The end part it pronounced it at least two ways by Germans, but not with</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>a Kuf or Gimel sound.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Which Posuk would a German Jew use. I’ve heard Chof and Ish as the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>end pronunciations. In Gittin you’d probably need to write both.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>Zelich, and Zelish?! How does a German G become those sounds? Those</span><br><span>are the sounds various dialects of German use for "ch", not for "G".</span><br><span>The Dutch pronounce every G like a chof, so maybe Berliners do too, but</span><br><span>surely not any other Germans. And I don't see how anyone could turn it</span><br><span>into a shin.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Micha Berger wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>FWIW, I usuallly hear the Yiddish pronounced "Zeligk" and by the more</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Polisher and Galicianisher, "Zeiligk". (These are the same people who</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>make a berakhah to the "MEI-lekh ha'olam"...)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I thought it was a similar phonology pattern to "bundt" -- using the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>voice for only the first part of a plosive sound.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>That's exactly what it is. In German a G at the end of a word is</span><br><span>pronounced K, and a D at the end of a word is pronounced T. Thus a</span><br><span>phonetic transliteration would use kuf and tes, except in cases where</span><br><span>Yiddish pronunciation has softened them back.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Gotta admit, not too interested in the German original, unless the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>discussion was about a /Yekke/ who was looking for the appropriate pasuq</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>for his name.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>The German original is interesting for two reasons: How it would be</span><br><span>spelt in a German get, and to understand why it's often spelt with a gimel.</span><br><span>Are those who spell it with a gimel actually representing a G sound, or</span><br><span>are they just blindly copying the German orthography?</span><br><span></span><br><span>If someone would find the Mahari Mintz we could have a more informed</span><br><span>discussion but I've got about 20 other things on my plate right now.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span>Zev Sero Meaningless combinations of words do not acquire</span><br><span><a href="mailto:zev@sero.name">zev@sero.name</a> meaning merely by appending them to the two other</span><br><span> words `God can'. Nonsense remains nonsense, even</span><br><span> when we talk it about God. -- C S Lewis</span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>