The <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Tahoma,Helvetica,FreeSans,sans-serif;font-size:16px">Ramban al Hatorah (Bamidbar 15:22) when talking about how the entire Jewish people could sin bshogeg writes:</span><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Tahoma,Helvetica,FreeSans,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Tahoma,Helvetica,FreeSans,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><i>"In our sinfulness, this has already happened in the days of the evil kings of Israel, such as Jeroboam, that most of the nation <b>completely forgot</b> Torah and the commandments, and the instance in the book of Ezra about the people of the Second Temple."</i></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Tahoma,Helvetica,FreeSans,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><i><br></i></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Tahoma,Helvetica,FreeSans,sans-serif;font-size:16px">The Ramban writes that in the times of the first Beis Hamikdash as well as the time of Ezra most of the Jewish people <b>completely</b> forgot the Torah. So according to the Ramban these were not teshuva revivals but reteaching them the Torah that they had forgotten. </div><br>On Monday, August 8, 2016, Zev Sero <<a href="mailto:zev@sero.name">zev@sero.name</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 08/08/16 15:07, Micha Berger via Avodah wrote:<br>
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The point R' Moshe Benovitz was making in the snippet that was originally<br>
posted here was using "the Kuzari Principle" as an example of such<br>
an argument that won't hold water. The challenge is not that Tanakh<br>
implies a break in or a late start of mesorah (the topic Doros haRishonim<br>
addresses), but that it shows that at times the baalei mesorah were a<br>
minority, pushing a belief the masses did not share and were not being<br>
taught by their parents and grandparents, and yet they still managed to<br>
convince those masses on more than one occasion. Yoshiahu's and Ezra's<br>
revivals are two of the most famous counter-examples of the Kuzari<br>
Principle -- and they're from our own history!<br>
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Only if you accept the premise that Y and E introduced material that was<br>
new to their audiences. AIUI the traditional understanding is that they<br>
simply led teshuvah revivals, getting people to return to obeying the Torah<br>
that they already knew from their parents and grandparents. And that the<br>
sefer torah found in Yoshiahu's day was identical to the ones they already<br>
had, and the fuss was because it was was Moshe Rabbenu's long-lost sefer,<br>
and it was foundrolled to the tochacha.<br>
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-- <br>
Zev Sero Meaningless combinations of words do not acquire<br>
<a>zev@sero.name</a> meaning merely by appending them to the two other<br>
words `God can'. Nonsense remains nonsense, even<br>
when we talk it about God. -- C S Lewis<br>
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