<div dir="ltr">This is exactly the kind of thinking that R' Benovitz was talking about. When you make absolute statements like "there are no cogent arguments against intelligent design" it can easily have the reverse effect and turn people off. Imagine the following. Someone comes to you and asks how does Judaism deal with evolution etc. and you answer intelligent design and explain it. He asked a question you answered it, great. He may accept your answer he may not, but at least he will see that you addressed his question in a reasonable manner and gave him an answer. However, if you take that extra step of adding on an absolute statement like "there are no cogent arguments against intelligent design", it will probably backfire. 5 minutes after your conversation he will google "arguments against intelligent design" and he will see that there are over 2.5 million results. Just from that alone he may conclude that since you stated definitively that there are no cogent arguments against it and google provides 2.5 million results that you are wrong and not trustworthy. Even if he actually reads some of the results, he will probably find arguments that at least at first glance seem like cogent arguments and will again conclude that you are not trustworthy and are deceiving him and that Judaism has no real answers. So your absolute statement which you used to show how strongly you believe in something will turn out to be cause of his not believing you. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Yosef Gavriel Bechhofer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rygb@aishdas.org" target="_blank">rygb@aishdas.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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There are no cogent arguments against intelligent design properly
understood. Conversely, while this is not a popular position to take
in our day, there are no cogent arguments for abiogenesis. Yahadus
qua Yahadus is, indeed, more complicated - but possesses ample
arguments as well.<br>
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<div>"Steve Savitsky interviewed Rabbi Moshe Benovitz of the
NCSY( Savitsky Talks, "Technology and Social Media: How Are
They Affecting the Post-High School Year in Israel?",
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R. Benovitz: ...In the kiruv community, for example, they are
coming to grips with the fact that some of the arguments--
historical arguments, philosophical arguments-- that like I
said a charismatic educator could tell a person off the street
and who would know better, is checked instantly on a hand held
device that’s pulled out of a pocket. If those arguments do
not hold water, then we've done more damage than good. We need
to adjust to that, and we should adjust to that.<br>
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Steve Savitsky: Do you have an example of that?<br>
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R. Benovitz: ...This is probably beyond the scope of this
limited discussion because there are obviously complexities
and layers here. But examples like mass revelation at Sinai
being the only way possible, when you have challenges from
other sources, the fact that Torah seems to have been
forgotten in certain periods explicitly in the Navi and the
like. The chain of the Mesorah-- there is certain reason to
believe that were times where it was if not broken, but then
it was down to a precious few; that’s a challenge, just to use
one example, [to that] mass revelation argument of sorts.
[Similarly there are challenges] in the scientific realm, and
in the archaeological realm. <br>
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We need to be able to know that there is information at the
fingertips of our students that of course we have answers to,
and of course we have ways of responding to, but to just throw
arguments out there, they’re not going to, nor should they
simply accept at face value. <br>
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Interview is available here:<br>
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<a href="https://www.ou.org/life/parenting/technology-social-media-affecting-year-israel-stephen-savitsky/" target="_blank">https://www.ou.org/life/<wbr>parenting/technology-social-<wbr>media-affecting-year-israel-<wbr>stephen-savitsky/</a>"<br>
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