<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"><head><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml><o:OfficeDocumentSettings><o:AllowPNG/><o:PixelsPerInch>96</o:PixelsPerInch></o:OfficeDocumentSettings></xml><![endif]--></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_3951" dir="ltr"><br style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_4342"><span style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_4343">On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:37:23AM +0300, Eli Turkel via Avodah wrote:</span><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_3951" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_3834" style="display: block;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_3833"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_3832"><div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_3831" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">>The gemara BK 16a says that one who does not bend in Modim after 7 years<br>>his spine turns into a snake. Given that spines probably don't last 7 years<br>>and the cemeteries are not filled with snakes I don't take the gemara<br>>literally (see however Tosafot ve-hu and kaf hachaim)<br>><br>>I am more disturbed by the claim (Kaf haChaim in the name of the Zohar)<br>>that one who doesnt ben at modim does not come back in techiyat hametim.<br>>First the gemara in perek chelek implies that most people return in<br>>techiyat hametim. Second the popular opinion is that even the wicked spend<br>>11-12 months in gehinom and then go to gan eden and presumably return in<br>>techiyat hamettim.<br><br>Interesting. Is the Kaf haChaim, and the Zohar, interpreting the gemara in </div><div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_3831" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">Bava Kamma 16a?</div><div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_3831" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br></div><div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_3831" dir="ltr"><font face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_5065"><a href="http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41181&st=&pgnum=106" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_5077">http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41181&st=&pgnum=106</a><br></font><a href="https://he.wikisource.org/wiki/%D7%91%D7%91%D7%90_%D7%A7%D7%9E%D7%90_%D7%98%D7%96_%D7%91" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_5755">https://he.wikisource.org/wiki/%D7%91%D7%91%D7%90_%D7%A7%D7%9E%D7%90_%D7%98%D7%96_%D7%91</a><br></div><div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_3831" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br></div><div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_3831" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">That is, given that techiyat hameitim is from the luz bone, which is located at</div><div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_3831" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">the end of the spinal column, could the gemara be taken, allegorically, to mean </div><div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_3831" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">that those people won't be resurrected?</div><div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_3831" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br></div><div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_3831" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">Kol Tuv,</div><div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464146609623_3831" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">Josh Waxman</div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>