<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><<Actually, that simply doesn't reflect the most widespread position on civil marriage, which in reality is that we seek a get even in cases of divorcing couples that had not had chupa vekiddushin, but, and here is the key, but we do not seek such a get in cases where it would imply mamzerut. Of course, the rule isn't applied entirely directly. Rather, every single case is separately analyzed on its own merits. But we do our utmost to avoid mamzerut and that does not stand in contradiction with seeking a proper get in cases of most divorcing civil marriage only couples.<br></div><div>-- <br><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Arie Folger, >><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>chumrot that don't have side effects are fine. As Rabbi Folger states we try and avoid mamzerut. The question is when there are no children but one cannot get a "get" for some reason.</div><div>Do we leave the woman an agunah or do we rely on the psak of RMF </div></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><font color="#000099" face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif">Eli Turkel</font></div></div>
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