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<font size=3>At 01:29 PM 2/4/2016, R. Akiva Miller wrote:<br><br>
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<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">> Learning for the sake of
learning, just to occupy one's mind<br>
> with the intricacies of the Torah, even if the practical<br>
> application of the law is already known, is limited to men.<br>
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> A woman who learns Torah does not become greater in yiras<br>
> Shamayim because of it. True, she may become very learned<br>
> in Torah, but this is not the object of talmud Torah.<br><br>
To me, the implication here is that men are obligated in Talmud Torah,
and<br>
therefore Talmud Torah will cause men to because greater in Yiras
Shamayim.<br>
And in contrast, women are *not* obligated in Talmud Torah, and
therefore<br>
Talmud Torah will *not* cause women to because greater in Yiras
Shamayim.</font></blockquote><br>
Did you miss the following that was also in what I quoted?<br><br>
"<font face="Times New Roman, Times" size=3>If a man is a great
<i>talmid chacham, </i>having<br>
learned the entire Talmud, and has not become a greater <i>yerei
Shamayim<br>
</i>this learning has not achieved its purpose."<br><br>
</font>Hence it is clear that your statement "Talmud Torah will
cause men to [because] become (?) greater in Yiras
Shamayim." is simply not true according to Rav Schwab.<br>
It depends on how one learns.<br><br>
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<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">My confusion is two-fold: (1) I
see growth in Yiras Shamayim as a function<br>
of how one relates to G-d in any of a variety of methods, Talmud
Torah<br>
being only one of them. (2) Even if one would posit a direct<br>
cause-and-effect relationship between Talmud Torah Lishmah and Yiras<br>
Hashem, I don't know why there would be any difference between a
Metzuveh<br>
V'Oseh and an Ayno Metzuveh V'Oseh.<br>
</blockquote><br>
Again, Rav Schwab does *not* posit "a direct<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">cause-and-effect relationship
between Talmud Torah Lishmah and Yiras<br>
Hashem." </blockquote><br>
YL<br>
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