<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><<I believe I can prove there is an unconscious although I can't prove</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">there's a "deep unconscious" that influences our conscious behavior. I can</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">prove that there is at the very least a "shallow unconscious" that goes on</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">working without our awareness. My proof is logical, experiential:</span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"> I think everyone would agree to a "shallow </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">unconscious ". An obvious case is a baseball </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">player who swings his bat before he evewn consciously sees the ball.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">However, the beginning of the discussion involved the Rambam who seems to hold</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">that every Jew has an "inner neshamah" that wants to do good (unconsciously) even though the person himself is completely irreligious.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">R Avraham, Shnerb and others claim that this is not what Rambam means and there is no</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">such thing as a Jewish unconscious wish to do mitzvot. Rather Rambam is stating that in his society a Jew remains Jewish because he wants to remain part of the community. The only choices were to be a member of the Jewish community or else convert to another religion, No chilonim.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">As such a man who refuses to give a "get" to his wife realized that to remain part of the Jewish community he really has to comply with the rules. Thus even though he refuses after the bet din beats him he gives it willingly because he is still part of the community and has not left.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Has nothing to do with unconscious feelings. R Avraham explicitly states that as such the halacha would change today when society has changed.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><font color="#000099" face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif">Eli Turkel</font></div></div>
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