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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2
face=Arial>From: saul newman via Avodah
<avodah@lists.aishdas.org><BR><BR><BR>is it or is it not a tenet of
Orthodoxy that to be defined as O one must<BR>submit to some defined
human authority? clearly, we must deny the<BR>preposition
that to be O one must submit to<BR>either the entity called 'moetzets
gedolei hatorah' of the USA or Israel....<BR>so, is there a tenet of
O that submission to a defined panel of leadership<BR>is
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<DIV>Aseh lecha rav. You cannot be Orthodox if you refuse to submit to
/any/ rabbinical authority and if you insist on setting yourself up as your own
authority in all matters great and small. Even someone who genuinely is a
great Torah scholar must consult with colleagues and not be arrogant. If
there are any midos that define OO, they are self-importance
and arrogance. This is also true of the "Orthodox" feminist movement, and
all movements and individuals who reject the very idea of rabbinical
authority.</DIV>
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<DIV>BTW we must NOT "deny the preposition" because we cannot make ourselves
understood without prepositions. When I was in the 8th grade I had to
memorize this list: in, of, to, for, by, on, into, over, under, with,
above, below, at, from, across, beside, between, without. Without the
preposition, all attempts at communication would be like the Tower of
Babel. Of course, even /with/ the preposition, a lot of what goes on here
is just like that -- misunderstandings, talking at cross-purposes, and throwing
bricks at one another.</DIV>
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<DIV>So, not to forget the main point -- aseh lecha rav.</DIV>
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<DIV><B><FONT color=#0000ff>--Toby Katz<BR>t613k@aol.com</FONT><FONT lang=0
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