<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)">R'Micha replied:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)">> <span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">The sun is also an external tool.</span> <</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Which is why I previously differentiated between the sun _or_ a substitute light source no brighter than it and between what I call "external tools."</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)">> <span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">This is wh I think we need more nuance here.</span> <</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)">My theory is that anything we, a 6th-Day "creation", can see with the tools provided as part of the <i>b'riyah</i> (or, again, a fair substitute) is within our Halachic field of vision.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:large">Best wishes for a <i>shanah tovah umsuqah</i> from</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:large"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif" color="#9900ff"><i>Michael Poppers</i></font><font face="verdana, sans-serif" style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"> * </font><font face="georgia, serif" color="#000000">Elizabeth, NJ, USA</font></span></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Micha Berger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org" target="_blank">micha@aishdas.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 11:52:48AM -0400, Michael Poppers via Avodah wrote:<br>
: A knife is an external tool. The inside of a lung cannot be seen by the<br>
<span class="">: human eye without opening it.<br>
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</span>The sun is also an external tool.<br>
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This is wh I think we need more nuance here.<br>
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It might depend on whether a hollow inside the lung is judged as a lung<br>
that is defective in a way we can't see without a knife, or the hole is<br>
a mum that we could be able to see ourselves if the ourside of the lung<br>
weren't in the way.<br>
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But in either case, I still csn't articulste what seems to me to be<br>
a obvious difference.<br>
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Tir'u baTov!<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-Micha<br>
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