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<div style="font-size: 11pt;font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span
style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">Re: Micha's
questioning <span style="font-style: italic;">kadish yasom</span>(KY)
after <span style="font-style: italic;">kidush levana,</span> the Vilna
Gaon has a shortened version(doesn't he always?) that starts with the <span
style="font-style: italic;">bracha</span> and ends with <span
style="font-style: italic;">siman tov</span>. There is no <span
style="font-style: italic;">Aleinu</span>, hence no KY</span>. He also
holds that "<span style="font-style: italic;">sh'ain l'harbos b'k'dashim
shelo l'tzorech</span>, hence,there is only once KY per <span
style="font-style: italic;">tefila.</span> After the <span
style="font-style: italic;">Yom</span> by <span style="font-style:
italic;">shachris </span>and after <span style="font-style: italic;">Aleinu</span>
by <span style="font-style: italic;">mincha & maariv</span>. Minhag
Ashkenaz is not to say <span style="font-style: italic;">kadish
d'rabonan</span> during/after <span style="font-style: italic;">tefila</span>
but only after <span style="font-style: italic;">limud agada</span>.
The chasidim adopted the custom of saying it from the Seforadim and
that's how it entered their ritual.<br><br>I remember davening once at
the Boro Park <span style="font-style: italic;">nusach HaGra k'vosikin
minyan </span>way back and was struck by the number of KYs that were
said. The gabbai's answer was that it was too difficult to stop the
"kadish zogers" from having their way. B"H, at our Flatbush Nusach HaGra
k'vosikin minyan (Young Israel of Ave K, East 29th and K) under Rav
Aryeh Ralbag guidance, we are have not had to compromise the Nusach
HaGra way of davening. Shachris is 45 minutes before HaNetz every shabos
and YT. <br><div class="moz-signature">-- <br>___________________________<br>
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