<div dir="ltr">Micha wrote:<div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">The Tur OC 315, Beiur Halakah 344 and elsewhere talk about not doing</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">things "shelo yavo'u lezalzel bo". Which clearly invokes a slippery</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">slope argument; but not that zilzul is itself a slippery slope, rather</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">than zilzul is such a problem, we avoid things that will slide us there. >></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">My apologies but I am still completely confused when one applies zilzul and when one says something is allowed as an exception to the rule. No purpose in giving examples as there are myriads of exceptions that are allowed.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">I have the same problem with "lo plug" sometimes something that would be allowed is prohibited because of "lo plug" and sometimes we simply say it is an exception.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Perhaps the most famous example is lighting candles on leil yom tov. The wife of the Prisha says one should say the bracha first and then light since lighting (preexisting flame) is allowed on tomtov. The MA calls her names and says this is an obvious "lo plug".</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">My impression is that most women follow the wife of the prisha.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">The question is what is the basis of the machloket either when do we say "lo plug" and when do we apply "zilzul" and when do we ignore these arguments<br clear="all"></span><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><font color="#000099" face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif">Eli Turkel</font></div></div>
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