<div dir="ltr"><<<span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Anyway, that's how I understood REW. R' Elchanan argues that on an</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">informal level, the idea that the universe had to have a Creator is</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">as obvious as a Euclidean postulate or the injustice of oppression.</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">To not believe in G-d requires a formal proof, which one's negios then</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">determine if they find it sound or specious, and whether they accept</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">the postulates on which it's built.>></span><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">the Euclidean postulates are based on everyone's daily experience. In fact we know they are not true in other circumstances (eg on a globe)</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">The injustice of oppression is more debatable. Surely ISIS believes that destroying ancient culture and cutting off heads of nonbelievers is a "mitzvah"</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">As such the belief in a creator is obvious to one with a religious upbringing. For years scientists (and ancient philosophers) believed in an infinitely old world. Even today some scientists are attemping to justify a big bang without a creator (infinite big bangs , other universes etc.).</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">The whole idea of axioms/postulates are that they are not provable.<br clear="all"></span><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><font color="#000099" face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif">Eli Turkel</font></div></div>
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