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<font size=3>At 12:24 PM 4/28/2015, R. Ben Waxman wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Meaning - was the demand that
the religious not work with the <br>
secular the issue or was that a cover story used to mask people's <br>
opposition to Zionism? </font></blockquote><br>
This was an issue, and there was also opposition to Zionism.
The opposition to Zionism was not masked at all.<br><br>
Please read
<a href="http://web.stevens.edu/golem/llevine/rsrh/zion_or_zionism.pdf" eudora="autourl">
http://web.stevens.edu/golem/llevine/rsrh/zion_or_zionism.pdf</a>
to see what Zionism really is according to Rav Schwab, ZT"L
and others who think like him.<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=3>Or in this case, is
the demand that the creation <br>
of the state be a Kiddush HaShem in the eyes of all rabbanim a real <br>
demand or is it simply a cover?</font></blockquote><br>
I have never heard of "<font size=3>the demand that the creation
<br>
of the state be a Kiddush HaShem in the eyes of all rabbanim "
Who demanded this?</font> <br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=3> If the Breuer
community want the state <br>
to reflect certain values, than please, make it
happen.</font></blockquote><br>
And how do you propose that they do this? <br><br>
I asked you in an earlier email what the Orthodox Jews in EY and you in
particular are doing to make this happen, and I received no
response.<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=3> If they don't
<br>
want to make it happen or aren't willing, than the demand is (at best)
<br>
an exercise in dissimulation.</blockquote><br>
Do you really believe that the Breuer's community at the time when Rav
Breuer and Rav Schwab has the wherewithal to make the State reflect
certain values? Even those living in EY at this time could not do
this.<br><br>
There was (and still is) a large non-religious contingent of Jews living
in EY. Do you really think that anyone can "make" them
change their views or their behavior?<br><br>
YL<br><br>
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