<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">When my children were in school, I said - take the smallest size Kzayit they offer. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Now when my associates ask for clarification, I say - whereas an egg approaches "satiety" reasonably well, an olive is a swallow. One eats normally, and that first swallow [any healthy person] is the Kzayit. For the sake of erasing all possible doubt, by all means take a second swallow soon after. Even three olives - presuming one is thinking about it - can be swallowed simultaneously, as Hillel may have done in the Mikdash. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">That is the easy direct part. How do we get there? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br>
</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Orchos Rabeinu - Rav Horowitz chronicled every move of the Chazon Ish and Steipeler contemporaneously - tells that the CI showed the "area" of a kzayit on the palm of his hand [CI is always described as a person whom one can easily not even notice at first sight. ] I think he CI got 6 pieces from a Matza. Their "Mesora point" was that there are two conflicting accounts of Rav Chaim Valozhiner's teaching. One said that just as the egg is doubled, so also the olive must be doubled. The other RCV student - perhaps Reb Yosef of Slutzk - says that the "olive is independent", rather than a dependent variable proportional to an egg, so it does not have to double just to keep the egg company. That opinion is accepted by the CI and RYK, but not by Rav Sternbuch, who takes the "doubles double" approach, bringing one's olive to 27 grams or perhaps 50 or more. The CI group mocked that as "chasing stringencies" - see all in Orchos Rabeinu who was present. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">To come back to earth, CI ended up at about 16 grams as the "independent" calculated Zayit. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">The following is not well written, but since Shoshana Boubil Tichyeh came close to the truth, I feel obligated to share these controversial and not original, but most definitely novel, approaches. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">The CI was extremely good at agriculture, and knew that 2,000 year old olive trees are not shocking in EY. He knew the Geonim based the Zayit as something that will never change. He knew that the size of Zayit Ha'aguri - the best oil olive - at the largest is 7 grams, but 3 grams is within plausibility. There is about a 10% +- anyway where it is too small a margin to debate. The larger olives found in Masada were "salad olives" which run bigger, though they told me that 16 grams may be pushing it. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">The CI for reasons of existential survival of Judaism, could not just say that the Raaviyah lived in Germany, no German ever saw an olive there much less measured one, Raaviyah used "dead reckoning", took out his slide rule and recalculated an olive. [Southern Spain and Italy looked at their local tree.] That would show disrespect for the Poskim. He therefore pondered about whether the olive will change in each generation based on Gmara Yuma. That took the edge off the mockery, as the current olive will be in the district that Shoshana Boubil Tichye' pointed out. Once I calculated that it took 16 olives to make one 55 gram egg. I tried to eat a hard boiled egg in 16 bites. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">When I see 1.5 fluid ounces [45-50 grams?] as size of an olive - as popularly suggested - I become skeptical. 5-7 grams is about the real number, and plenty of room for civilized polite even proper people to swallow within a short time span. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Viva le - long live the ability to do a Mitzvah with propriety and decorum. One regular swallow is the "real amount". Two swallows is Yotzei the Din DeOrayta with flying colors. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">None of this is original at all, except one minor speculation. The paradox of the thumb to fingers ratio is solved by measuring perpendicular to the nail, as the thumb lays with hand flat on table. That is also nowhere near original. I recognize it as the elegant solution to the problem. </div>
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