<div dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr">RDrSM wrote:<br>
> But I will say for the record that no community I know of uses the<br>
> "correct" pronunciation of aleph as a glottal stop.</p>
<p>In 2004 I met the late Av Beth Din of Paris, Rbeh Nissim Rbiboh (Rav Nissim Rebibo) zatsal, who clearly did pronounce the alef. His slef sounded like many other people's 'ayin, and I leave it up to your imagination how he pronounced the 'ayin (hint: it was strong, and how).<br>
<br>R'nTK wrote:<br>> I have heard someone make kiddush distinguishing between gimmel<br>> and jimmel, but I never heard rimmel.<br><br>RMB made a related comment wondering where the djimmel came from.</p><p>Almost all Jews pronounce a quf either like a kaf or, better, like an emphatic kaf (hence /q/uf). Likewise, we almost all pronounce a gimmel degusha as a hard G, and some of those in the know pronounce it when without a dagesh as fricative g, hence a French R.<br>
<br>However, Yemenites pronounce the quf as guf with a hard G and the gimmel degusha as djimmel.<br><br>That parallels Arabic, where what in some dialects is pronounced as q shifts in other dialects to a hard g, and what in the former group is pronounced as a hard g shifts to the dj sound. An example of the former is the many ways to spell Muamar the Dictator's last name: <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2009/09/how-many-different-ways-can-you-spell-gaddafi">http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2009/09/how-many-different-ways-can-you-spell-gaddafi</a><br>
<br>However, it is rather clear that you have been deprived of a fairly common and valuable messorah, of how to distinguish the gimmel she'ena degusha from a gimmel degusha (and of course, really, I should have spelled that derusha all along, as the daleth is dotted with a qomass, so that the following letter would not take a daresh 'hazaq, and there being no reason for a daresh qal at that position in teh word, it would be daresh, not dagesh ;-)).<br>
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