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<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">RLK asked:</blockquote>
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<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">>R' Weider from YU wrote the following article about the halachik<br>>impermissibility of partnership minyanim.<br>
<br> -<br> <a href="http://www.yucommentator.org/2014/03/the-halakhic-status-of-partnership-minyanim/" target="_blank">http://www.yucommentator.org/2014/03/the-halakhic-status-of-partnership-minyanim/</a><br><br>>One of his main arguments is that "Talmudic enactments retain binding<br>
>authority regardless of the situational applicability of any stated<br>>rationale, unless explicitly stated otherwise."<br><br></blockquote>
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<div><br>Part of the issue is the nature of the definition. R' Weider is assuming that we are dealing with "an enactment", understanding kovod hatzibbur as the Bach does, in which case he is pretty much correct (although how we deal with talmudic enactments that in fact in practice are not followed when their reason disappears - such as covering of liquids (non prevalence of snakes), mayim achronim (sodom salt) and clapping and dancing on shabbas (fixing musical instruments) - involves a lot of complex discussion amongst the rishonim and achronim).<br>
<br> But he rather assumes what he is trying to prove, ie that kovod hatzibbur is an enactment and that we follow the Bach l'halacha. See the first part of my post at:</div>
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<div><a href="http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol31/v31n039.shtml#08" target="_blank">http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol31/v31n039.shtml#08</a></div></div>
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<div>where I set out three understandings that appear in the halachic literature regarding kovod hatzibbur, and reference some of the situations in which kovod hatzibbur comes up elsewhere - eg having a shaliach tzibbur who does not have a beard and, rolling the Torah between parshios and how they are then discussed.</div>
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<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">>How can this be reconciled with the following?<br><br> > - <a href="http://www.torahmusings.com/2007/02/blind-aliyah/" target="_blank">http://www.torahmusings.com/2007/02/blind-aliyah/</a><br>
>- <a href="http://www.yeshiva.co/ask/?id=1562" target="_blank">http://www.yeshiva.co/ask/?id=1562</a><br> -<br> ><a href="http://www.joshyuter.com/2011/02/20/judaism/calling-a-blind-person-to-the-torah-and-its-implications-for-womens-aliyot/" target="_blank">http://www.joshyuter.com/2011/02/20/judaism/calling-a-blind-person-to-the-torah-and-its-implications-for-womens-aliyot/</a><br>
<br>>If in Talmudic times blind or deaf people were unable to be called to the<br>>Torah, why would situational changes ("Rema (*Orach Chaim* 139:3) adds that<br>>nowadays, when we are lenient to call to the Torah even an ignoramus who<br>
>cannot follow the reading, we also call blind men to the Torah") allow for<br>>them to be called?<br><br></blockquote>
<div><br> But again you are assuming that not calling blind or illiterate people to the Torah was due to an "enactment", whereas as the meforshim make clear the ruling of the Shulchan Aruch is based on the majority rishonic position that one of the requirements for an aliyah is that the person reads along quietly with the reader and if they cannot read, (for sight reasons or illiteracy reasons) they cannot be called, while the Rema allows one to be lenient because of a minority opinion amongst the rishonim (Meharil) that this is not necessary. It is not at all clear which opinion was followed in the time of the Talmud (if it was, then there wouldn't be a disagreement amongst rishonim), so there is nothing that suggests that there was ever a "talmudic enactment" , thus making the cases not comparable (assuming indeed that kovod hatzibbur can be considered in the same category as a regular talmudic enactment).<br>
<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards<br><br>Chana<br></div><div><br><br></div>
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<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">>Kol Tuv,<br>>Liron<br></blockquote></div>
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