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<DIV><BR>From: Chana Luntz <A
href="mailto:chana@kolsassoon.org.uk">chana@kolsassoon.org.uk</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>>>Walking around YU (assuming a male only environment) with tzitzis
out might<BR>well have been yehura, but surely a man walking around in the
presence of<BR>women with his tzitzis out is loeg l'rash?<BR><BR>.... Of
course in shul, no men<BR>are by definition "in a woman's presence" given that
the fundamental<BR>requirement of mechitza is to create a separate reshus.
However in a modern<BR>eg working environment, where's the
heter?<<<<<BR><BR></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Where's the issur? Is loeg larash assur or -- as I believe -- a
matter of minhag, of custom, of sensitivity?</DIV>
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<DIV>I confess I laughed out loud when I read this post, although I am not sure
that R'n CL meant it humorously. </DIV>
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<DIV>But having just done a tahara last night, I am wondering if "loeg
larash" is generally applied to any activity /other/ than doing mitzvos in the
presence of a deceased person? </DIV>
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<DIV>How about a kohen performing the avodah in the presence of a [live]
Yisrael? Is that loeg larash?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>Is it a sin to walk around pregnant in front of a childless
woman? Is that loeg larash? How about wearing a beard in the
presence of a woman -- is that loeg larash? </DIV>
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<DIV>My impression is that loeg larash involves doing a mitzva in the
presence of someone who not only is physically unable to do that mitzva anymore,
but is unable to do /any/ mitzvos anymore -- because he is dead. I stress
"physically unable" because I do not believe it applies, either, to someone
who is "halachically unable" to do a mitzva, say for example an
onen.</DIV>
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<DIV>On the assumption that women do not in general wish they could wear tzitzis
-- and that they have plenty of other mitzvos to do -- no such sensitivity
is required of men who walk around where women might see them.</DIV>
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<DIV>But while we're on this subject, I'll mention that my father did not
approve of wearing tzitzis out. He thought it looked sloppy and
undignified, and he said it was not done in Europe. Bnai Torah in der
alter heim would wear jackets all day and the jackets were long -- like bekeshes
or kapotes (not that I know the difference) -- and I remember him commenting
that their tzitzis did not hang out from under the hems of their long
coats. So why, just because people now wear short jackets, should they
wear strings dangling out from under their hems?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT><BR><FONT color=#0000ff><STRONG>--Toby
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