<div dir="ltr">RMB wrote, regarding Reuven's sin:<br>>
Reuvein's cheit according to peshat in the pasuq (35:22), is MUCH more<br>> severe than the cheit described by R' Shmuel bar Nachmani on Shabbos<br>> 55b (as quoted by Rashi).<br>
><br>> The machloqes in the gemara is worth looking at. There is one opinion,<br>> R' Yehoshua, that says Reuvein actually sinned, but the amoraim<br>> gravitate toward minimizimg Ruvein's sin, then Eli's, Pinchas's, (56a)<br>
> Shemu'el's, David's, and (56b) Shelomo's.<br>
<div><br></div><div>Well, I am not so sure we should create such a dichotomy between peshat and derash here. The plain verses include here something very funny, strange. There is a break within a single passuk, and the report of Reuven sinning ends with the statement vayihyu benei yaaqov shemein assar (quoting from memory). That last statement confirms that no matter how grave the sin of Reuven, it wasn't enough to warrant him being excluded from the Shevatim. A corollary is that the verse is possibly hinting taht the sin wasn't all that grave, which inevitably leads to the question why not.<br>
<br></div><div>In this peshat tension, one may suggest different interpretations, and while Chazal's seems at first sight surprising, it isn't actually outside teh realm of peshat, once one takes in those graphic clues and the juxtaposition of vayishkav and vayihyu benei yaaqov sheneim 'assar.<br>
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