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face=Arial><BR>>> R Schwab (in Mayan Bais shoaiva on breshis 2'23) says
explicitly that there<BR>were human like creatures alive before Adam who looked
like pple, planted<BR>and harvested as pple do, could reproduce with Adam, etc,
but did not have<BR>the neshama of Adam harishon.<BR><BR>As I've mentioned
previously, this approach still requires us to say that<BR>all these pple
mysteriously died out somehow and the world is now only<BR>populated by Adam's
descendants (all goyim are today are considered human,<BR>descendants of Adam,
capable of converting and becoming Jewish, etc)<<<BR><BR>Mordechai
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<DIV>In the generations between Adam and Noach many people were born and as
others have noted, they may have been the products of matings between humans and
these other human-like creatures. Noach and his wife may
well have had some forebears who were these non-human beings. Of
course except for the hybrids -- Noach, wife, sons and daughters-in-law -- the
rest of that non-human population as well as all the humans died in the
Mabul.</DIV>
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<DIV>Unless the Mabul was not global? Maybe Australian aborigines, South
Pacific islanders, and American Indians are the descendants of those long-ago
non-humans -- who didn't die in the Mabul? Possibly this is apikorsus.
I know that when it was first suggested on Avodah years ago, I said
it was apikorsus. Though I was using the word loosely, I later regretted
having said it at all. Especially since I myself am now agnostic on the
subject of whether the Mabul was a world-wide phenomenon. Maybe it was and
maybe it wasn't. (IIRC Chazal say Eretz Yisrael was spared.)</DIV>
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<DIV>What I would like to ask R' Schwab about those pre-Adam non-human
humanoids is, did they wear clothes? Did they have language and
culture? Did they have art, cities, music? Or did they live
more like modern-day primates of the mountains and jungles? </DIV>
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