<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Sunrise - at least here in Chicago - is at about 6:20 AM. Most of the AM Slichos are completed well before that time... at least thee one I go to including the 1st Selichos on Sunday.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I therefore do not think there is any real difference between waiting til almost 1 AM on Motzoi Shabbos to say it and saying it at about 5:30 AM Sunday morning... except for the idea of Zerizus. And if that's someone's issue, then they should be doing it at 1 AM every night.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>When I was in Telshe, the first Selichos was always Sunday morning, not 1 AM.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>HM</span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Want Emes and Emunah in your life? </div><div><br><br></div><div>Try this: http://haemtza.blogspot.com/</div><br> <div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px;
padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b><span style="font-weight: bold;"> Elazar M. Teitz <remt@juno.com></span><br><br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br> RDYitzchok Levine wrote, "Shall we say that the saying of the first selichos at 1 am is just as authentic as saying them at 6:20 am on Sunday morning as I did? I personally think not."<br><br> You are right. Saying S'lichos at 1:00 AM is not as authentic as saying them at 6:20 AM; it is _more_ authentic. One of the phrases you said was "Gnon na giz'o b'za'akam b'od layil." How could you say this truthfully after sunrise? It was obviously meant to be said while it was
still night, and probably should have been skipped if said after daybreak, to avoid a false t'filla.<br></div> </div> </div> </blockquote></div> </div></body></html>