<div dir="ltr"><<<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">That's an excellent example. I do this myself. And if you know someone</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">who is always late and you tell them to be there by </span><span class="" tabindex="0" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="">5:45</span></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> when you really</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">want them to be there by 6, knowing that they'll probably *still* not</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">make it by 6, would that be an issue as well?>></span><div>
<font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">There is a story in the gemara that Rav's wife would always serve the opposite of what Rav reqyested. When Rav's son noticed this he would would relay to his mother the opposite of what Rav wanted so that Rav would get what he wanted.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Eventually Rav realized that things had changed and he was getting what he ordered. He asked his son for the reason and the son told of his trick. Rav responded that it was a clever idea but that one is not allowed to lie.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">I note that the gemara does not indicate that Rav himself instituted the trick.</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">According to this story what could not lie and say a meeting was earlier than scheduled so the person would show up on time.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">There was a note in R. Haber's drasha that some of these things might depend on societal norms. I was not sure what that meant. However, since setting ones watch ahead to try and be on time seems to be quite common and so I assume it is okay.<br clear="all">
</font><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><font color="#000099" face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif">Eli Turkel</font></div>
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