<div dir="ltr">In our discussion I bring a short summary of the halachot of Bishulei Akum<div><br></div><div>1) Reason for prohibition</div><div>a) Rabbenu Tam (and others) - leads to marriage</div><div>b) Hagahos Asheri brings Rashbam - danger of nonkosher food</div>
<div>Rashi in AZ brings both reasons in 2 places</div><div><br></div><div>heterim - </div><div>a) needs to be food fit for a king</div><div>b) allowed if it can be eaten raw</div><div style>c) a Jew participates in the cooking</div>
<div style>SA - Jew puts the food on the flame</div><div style>Ramah - Jew lights the fire</div><div style><br></div><div style>If the goy cooked it until the level of Ben Drusai and completed by a Jew</div><div style>SA - prohibited except for hesfed merubah</div>
<div style>Ramah - allowed</div><div style><br></div><div style>goy is a worker (shifchah)</div><div style>SA - brings 2 opinions even bidieved</div><div style>Ramah - allows it</div><div style>Schach - Rama talking about a real slave doesnt apply to an employee</div>
<div><br></div><div>Machloket if it applies to a chiloni Jew (mumar lechallel shabbat)</div><div>Sefer hashrut tends to allow it as long as the chiloni is not anti-dati</div><div>ROY allows using food cans made in a non-religious kibbutz,</div>
<div>i.e. they should be kashered (does he mean toveled?) but there is no problem of bishulei goyim</div><div><br></div><div>sefardim eating in a place under an Ashkenazi hasgacha</div><div>ROY allows it based on 2 machloket</div>
<div>a) according to Rama lighting the oven is enough</div><div>b) the workers are similar to slaves</div><div>Though SA is le-chumra in both cases even the SA would admit when there are 2 reason for kulah</div><div>then it is permitted</div>
<div>Ohr LeZion disagrees and says if SA is machmir in both cases they cant be combined for a kulah</div><div><br></div><div>I am not aware of poskim who says it makes a difference whether one has any contact with the cook. eg ROY in his heter does not mention this nor does he mention this in his heter of canned food from a non-religious kibbutz (under hechsher) where he again combines 2 chumrot into a kulah<br clear="all">
<div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><font color="#000099" face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif">Eli Turkel</font></div>
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