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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><<Yes, that is how the Mechaber rules, which is why ROY needs a safek sfeka, and not just a machlokus haposkim. Basically you have a large number of rishonim lining up on both sides. The Shulchan Aruch went with the more machmir group of rishonim, the Rema went with the more makil group. So, rules ROY, Sephardim when faced with a classic case of bishul akum, ie a non Jew cooking in the non Jew’s premises, in order to matir the bishul akum, need the Jew to take part in a more substantial aspect of the cooking (eg stirring) and not just lighting the fire.>></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And RET replied:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The problem is that ROY is usual very insistent that sefardim pasken like the mechaber no ifs or buts. Hence Ohr LeZion discounts this a safek. The machaber paskens le-chumra end of story.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I wonder if there are other places that ROY combines a Rama with another safek to make it sfek-sefeka</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Well of course the strongest teshuva in this regard is that found in Yabiat Omer Chelek 5 Yoreh Deah siman 3 – where ROY matirs eating at a simcha where the meat comes from a non glatt hecsher – and one side of the sfek sfeka that gets him to allow this is indeed the Rema and the Ashkenazi tradition of non glatt. And in that case he is dealing with what he and the Sephardi poskim understand to be an issur d’orisa, not just an issur d’rabbanan.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But I think in general it is a mischaracterisation of ROY to understand him as requiring that Sephardim posken like the Mechaber, no ifs or buts. For example, where, as in the case of yesh bishul achar bishul for a d’var lach, the Mechaber poskens against majority rishonim, ROY assumes that therefore he only poskened this way because of safek d’orisa l’chumra (see Yabiat Omer Chelek 10 siman26) (ie he didn’t hold intrinsically that there was really bishul on a d’orisa level, but he didn’t feel comfortable ruling in favour of the meikilim in a d’orisa matter like this) and that therefore if you find some other safek (such as placing it on a cold blech and then using a time clock) there is no problem warming up cold soup on a blech and then eating it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There is also another factor involved in the bishul akum in a hotel case which you don’t really see from that teshuva, but you do more clearly in the one regarding non glatt meat – and that is the interposition of an Ashkenazi with a chezkas kashrus in the middle. In the case of the hotel – the Ashkenazi mashgiach is acting perfectly halachically in only lighting the fire. If the mashgiach was asked, “is the food kosher to eat?”, he is completely correct in answering “yes”, according to the way he poskens. It seems reasonably clear from the opening of ROY’s teshuva regarding the non glatt meat that if you were eating in an Ashkenazi person’s town, (assuming the host was a yiras shamayim and therefore had a chezkas kashrus), even if you had an intention to return, there is no problem and no need to investigate whether or not the meat is in fact glatt, you can just rely on the chezkas kashrus of the owner. The hotel is a bit more complicated, because there you are paying for your meal, not the mashgiach or hotel owner, but even so, I strongly suspect that these issues are underlying (he does stress that what people do is rely on the teudah of the rabbanut hareshit and not pay attention to the fact that it is not according to Sephardi standards). In the case of the simcha though, there is nothing in the teshuva which suggests that the baal hasimcha was not Sephardi, and just not that frum, and the question was could a Sephardi yirat shemayim partake in the simcha.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What ROY doesn’t like is Sephardim relying on the Rema against the Shulchan Aruch in precisely the circumstances that they differ, particularly in order to “fit in” to an Ashkenazi milieu, taking the attitude that if the Rema said it, surely it can’t be that bad to follow. The psychological pressure on a Sephardi boy (or girl) in an Ashkenazi yeshiva (or Sem), for example, can be immense, and I think this is what drives a lot of the stridency in this regard, particularly when coupled with certain implicit assumptions about superiority that ROY will fight to his dying day. If there is even a sniff of that, there will be absolutely no kowtowing to the Rema – but that is not the case here. Ie where the Rema is only one snif l’hakel, and you need yet another to get you to heter, I don’t think ROY has any problem with using the Rema as one of his reasons for leniency – so long as it is not just because the Rema himself said it, but because actually there is a large body of rishonim behind him. The Rema himself may not count for a huge amount, rishonim do, especially numbers of them. The more rishonim actually support the Rema’s position (or any position the Shulchan Aruch does not take), the weaker ROY treats the Shulchan Aruch’s position, and thus the more willing he is to agree to heterim in circumstances that differ somewhat from that actually poskened. Although again, I think that it also depends on how convinced ROY is by the Shulchan Aruch’s treatment. ROY fervently believes that saying a brocha sheino tzricha is a violation of an issur d’orisa, with the Rambam, and against Tosphos. He clearly doesn’t really believe that there is bishul acher bishul in a d’var lach. Despite the idea bandied about that ROY is just about gathering numbers of poskim, there is no question that, like all great poskim, there are some positions that fit in with his Torah weltanschauung, and some which don’t.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Eli Turkel</span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Chana<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>