<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><div>--- On <b>Tue, 5/21/13, Zev Sero <i><zev@sero.name></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div class="plainMail"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">But order in German shuls is itself a 19th-century innovation. Before</span><br>then German shuls were just as disorderly as Polish ones. Adopting<br>German sensibilities about order was part of trying to be more German<br>and less Jewish.</div></blockquote></div><div>------------------</div> I can't speak to the history or origin of German Jewry WRT order and decorum in the Shul. But to say that order and decorum stems from a desire to be more German and less Jewish is to be Motzi Laz in the Beis HaMikdash itself!<div><br></div><div>Does anyone believe
for a moment that there was no order and decorum in the Beis HaMikdash? ...that Kohanim used to shmooze while they were doing the Avodah? The Shul is after all called a Mikdash Me'at. As such we ought to emulate the kind of behavior one would expect in the Beis HaMikdash... which definitely orderly and I suspect was highly decorous.</div><div><br></div><div>That many Shuls - especially Chasidishe Shtieblach - don't have proper decorum is a flaw! ...and nothing to be praised! </div><div><br></div><div>That Reform Temples have a greater sense of decorum than Orthodox Shuls is something we Orthodox ought to be ashamed of.</div><div><br></div><div>HM<br><br>Want Emes and Emunah in your life? <br>
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